Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I tried to do a search on this subject, but I could not find the answer, so if it’s already on the forum somewhere, I’m sorry! I also post this in Sniping Haven because I think this is probably the best place to ask this.............. I am looking for a backup, the TM Mk23 seems to be the standard, as I understand it. But I have seen this thing last weekend in person and it is BIG……….. I am trying to keep things smaller and lighter, so I was wondering, would the Gemtech Oasis be a good idea? I found some reviews and people seem to be happy with it, but has anybody done a test between the two, as in range, accuracy and noise? The Mk23 will be probably on top in these categories, but is the Gemtech a worthy second and useable as a backup? Regards, Hessel Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 If you want light and NBB then you should be looking at the Maruzen P99 NBB as it is about as close to the Mk.23 as you are going to get without it being the size of your head . The Gemtech is just the KJ and by proxy Marushin Ruger Mk.1 which has a terrible trigger pull and makes so much bloody noise when it pops that unless you like the look it isn't worth it. Oh and the magazines are a pain, if the jolt when outside the gun expect all of your bbs to fall out and rattle around the pouch they are in. If you want silent, stealthy and not so MAHOOSIVE!!!! then go for the Maruzen NBB, or a HFC Box Cannon Mauser and get used to thumb cocking the hammer after each shot. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
demoncase Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Gemtech/KJ does indeed have a heavy trigger pull.....They can also run hot (like 450fps!) with propane on hot days so have a care and chrono before every use, adjusting the gas content accordingly- the silencer doesn't silence, meaning it's only a bit quieter than a GBB less the slide clatter. For silent sneaky work, nothing will beat the TM Mk23- it's silent as the grave.....It's as long as an 18 wheeler with the silencer fitted, making holster a pig and quick-draw a definate no-no. I tended to run my M23 on it's own with a few spare mags for those games were you can dig into a bush and zap the last couple of guys in the patrol before sniggering quietly as their mates freak out. Proper fun. Now, if all your after is an NBB, take a look at the Tanaka revolvers. They are a whole other level of quality. Link to post Share on other sites
Shardik Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Agree with the above on all accounts really. Especially on the revolver front. Link to post Share on other sites
Im going space Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Another cheaper option is the marui pythons, pretty decent range on em, 26 shots and pretty damn quiet! Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 If you want light and NBB then you should be looking at the Maruzen P99 NBB as it is about as close to the Mk.23 as you are going to get without it being the size of your head .This. I've got the Mk.23 and a couple of my mates have the P99 and there's not much difference at all in the sound. I think the TM might just have the edge on long range accuracy but at pistol ranges it's not really an issue. The P99 is also a hell of a lot more practical size wise. For silent sneaky work, nothing will beat the TM Mk23- it's silent as the grave.....It's as long as an 18 wheeler with the silencer fitted, making holster a pig and quick-draw a definate no-no. I tended to run my M23 on it's own with a few spare mags for those games were you can dig into a bush and zap the last couple of guys in the patrol before sniggering quietly as their mates freak out. Proper fun. I think that has to be the best thing about the Mk.23 I once hid in a bush on a vip escort mission within sight of the extraction point and pegged the vip in the chest right in the middle of his escort group. The look on their faces when I stood up 6 feet from them as end ex was called was priceless. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Another cheaper option is the marui pythons, pretty decent range on em, 26 shots and pretty damn quiet! Where did you do math? 4 shots per shell x 6 chambers = 24 shots per load . Too bad you can't take the shells out and the double action means if you want a nice smooth shot then you have to thumb back the hammer. Other than that they are pretty nice, though my 4 inch was a noisy sod, both the KWC and the TM that I borrowed. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Thank you very much for your input and idea’s. So the sensible thing to do would be to find a Maruzin P99 NBB, but after a quick look on the net, I found no store who sells them at the moment………… Never looked at a revolver though, looks like a lot a fun! The Tanaka’s are a bit over my price limit I’m afraid, but the Marui Python’s are something to look into. I will try to find some more info on them, thanks guys for this alternative! Regards, Hessel Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 IIRC they're being sold under the Umarex brand now. Link to post Share on other sites
Half Trigger Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 If your interested in the TM Mk23 then go for it. From what I've heard they're sound guns. And are highly sort after, so I'm sure you'd get a few glances if you used one! Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sorry, I don't want a Mk23, the aim of this tread is to find a substitute/alternative for the Mk23, I really think it is to big for me................ Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 IIRC they're being sold under the Umarex brand now. Thank you, still no luck though................... Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I use a modified KJ Ruger, it is possible to mod a silencer onto one easily enough. To manage lower fps and noise I cut the barrel short short 80mm you could easily do this with the Oasis, then take 2 full coils off he hammer spring and you will get a consistent 330/45fps with .2g Any time of the year. I also glued some sections of a blue pss10 dampening pad onto the hammer to make that as quiet as can be, it also takes up some of the hammer strike making your valves last longer too. On the whole it is more of a snap than a p99nbb or mk23 but it is a deamon pistol. Link to post Share on other sites
Half Trigger Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sorry, I don't want a Mk23, the aim of this tread is to find a substitute/alternative for the Mk23, I really think it is to big for me................ In that case, as agreed with the above post, the KjW ruger is a superb alternative! Cheap to buy, mags even cheaper, and a wonderful look and good gas consumption coupled with a god magazine capacity. Quite a long trigger pull if I remember correctly, but mine certainly got a few kills when I was trying to be sneaky and quiet! Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I use a modified KJ Ruger, it is possible to mod a silencer onto one easily enough. To manage lower fps and noise I cut the barrel short short 80mm you could easily do this with the Oasis, then take 2 full coils off he hammer spring and you will get a consistent 330/45fps with .2g Any time of the year. I also glued some sections of a blue pss10 dampening pad onto the hammer to make that as quiet as can be, it also takes up some of the hammer strike making your valves last longer too. On the whole it is more of a snap than a p99nbb or mk23 but it is a deamon pistol. Yes, I saw a picture of your Ruger and I really like it! How did you attach the suppressor? Regards, Hessel Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I did a little research on the revolvers and it is probably not the right choice for me, but still like the idea very much. So maybe I should start looking for a P99 NBB, that seems to be the sensible option at the moment, if you can find one………… Still open for other idea’s…………. Regards, Hessel Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3402 Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3402 Thanks! Regard, Hessel Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 KHC/KWA/Stti M9/M92F is a solid nbb to be suppressed rather easily. The KHC being the most well made one of them. Had one back in the day and it was a frag machine. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 mags even cheaper got any links to some cheap mags? I can only find them around £25! Jim Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 got any links to some cheap mags? I can only find them around £25! Jim http://www.kotte-zeller.de/Socom-Gear-Gemtech-Oasis-Magazin-16-Schuss-schwarz.htm?websale7=kotte-zeller-shop&pi=44447&ci=010440 Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 the next challenge Jim is finding mag pouches to hold them securely so they don't rattle about and empty themselves as you try and draw them out.. I use an old tripple mk5 pouch by viper they fit well. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Viper-Triple-Flash-Bang-Pouch-/250829100142?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item3a6694546e just like this. they are quite rare now too Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I actually bought a couple of those pouches but never used them (they were in a bargain bin and really cheap) I think I sold them last year! I just measured my Ruger mag against a TM 1911 mag, and they are pretty close so I may try a Fobus 1911 mag pouch. Of course, until I have spare mags it's not a huge problem! Jim Link to post Share on other sites
Hessel Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Finally tracked down a Walther P99 NBB, but they come at a price......... P99 + spare mag € 230,- Gemtech Oasis + spare mag € 105,- Hmmmmmmm........... Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I just measured my Ruger mag against a TM 1911 mag, and they are pretty close so I may try a Fobus 1911 mag pouch.If the mags are slightly small you could try adding some foam on the inside. I've done that with a 1911 fobus pouch to make it hold luger mags. Link to post Share on other sites
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