bankz5152 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 On the other hand the VFC one is $350 USD but is more accurate and licensed than the WE will pressumably be. Yes but the WE will work! Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 I want one with an SEF lower. That would be great, that is presuming that it works as WE can be a bit and miss. Here's hoping this is more hit (g39 et al) than miss (ak gbbr). Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Theres one good thing about WE. That is that, at least with their rifles, even if their internals are made of swiss cheese sometimes, the mechanism's design still tends to work very well. I cant think of a WE rifle off the top of my head that didnt have a well functioning system. Even the AK that had garbage internals still works well. So, given that, even if the internals need to be upgraded to RATech, it will still be a well performing gun. The same cannot be said about the VFC, which can be upgraded as much as you like and still may not work. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 plus its got dat VSR hop up. seriously though, i can forgive the $250 price tag for the stamped steel and welded receiver. i will seriously consider not buying one though if its more than 300. but im more looking for an A3 than an MP5k. but i dont know if ill even use it outside of CQB. cause i probably won't. Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 I've been told January release for UK/ROI by WE Europe - so a while of waiting left Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 RA-Tech just put up a video testing the MP5k prototype. looks promising, but the burst was a little wonky in the small amount of shooting that they did. also, the lever on the mags to block the valve knocker do look like they can be accidentally engaged pretty easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVU2WPjf6So Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed. Also noticed the heavy wear on the magazine, not a fan of that. But it still looks good. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Anyone got a clue what unit of measure the "2.9" he pulled out of his *albatross* in quantifying recoil? Link to post Share on other sites
faramon Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 With internet diggin, the thing they use to measure it is a push pull meter .. how ever it measures dependant on what plate you have inside which go from 1kg to 50kg .. so 2.9 of probably 1kg .... or 290g of pull xD or it could be something else entirely .. I don't know ... http://www.diytrade.com/china/pd/6779022/push_pull_gauge.html Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I like that RA Tech try to measure the recoil of GBBRs, but they change the setup for every gun they review so the data is useless... Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I prefer Nishiyan's method of tape-a-cup-of-water-to-the-gun-and-see-what-happens. Plus I'm pretty sure that rig which looks to be solidly mated with the gun (unlike a persons shoulder) is dampening a lot of that inertia. How much or if they've compensated for it through calibration, we'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites
Foden_357 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Here's hoping for a PDW model! Link to post Share on other sites
Bada Bing Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Magazines look very chunky, similar to the Maruzens. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 That video reminded me of some kind of cold war communist version of Brainiac. Looks alright, quite tidy really. On my phone, my spelling will suck. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I like that RA Tech try to measure the recoil of GBBRs, but they change the setup for every gun they review so the data is useless... Even if they kept the same set-up, it would be a waste of time as no-one else uses the same system. I'm not sure if a true 'recoil measurement' system exists for the 'real gun' world. It doesn't seem like it would be too hard to create - just a welded steel frame and grips to provide solid mounting, some strain gauges to measure the force applied, and a computer to record the forces in real time for later analysis. You could share the design online to encourage wider acceptance of the new standard. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Well it would be less of a waste if at least RA themselves used a consistent method so that values between different guns they test would be comparable. Even still I think felt recoil would be subject to whom is shooting the weapon. Not a big deal for me, I could care less for their tests, but it's nice to see an effort at least. Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It has a small bolt, therefor a small cylinder, so BB will not be that great, BUT it also has no stock witch will make it flop around more then say the MP5K PDW, here is hoping that it will make your wrist hurt after a good days shooting. Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 If TM were able to generate sufficient enjoyable recoil from their MP7, then the same should be possible for the MP5K without adversely affecting performance that much. Gas guns are, to me at least, fun-guns - they're not the most practical things in existence, but you know what? They work decently well and put a smile on your face, so when you blast away it feels a little cooler. That increased satisfaction is worth almost all other trade offs. I just hope that the WE Apache/MP5K follows suit and gives some decent blowback Link to post Share on other sites
blam360 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 according to WE's fb page, the mp5k will ship out to retailers tomorrow https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=783897161624894&set=gm.546682535415991&type=1 Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Interested to see how it will turn out. The market lacks a decent mp5 gbb Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Coming with a short mag is a bit of a cop out. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It's a bit of a let down, but if the gbb turns out to be skirmishable, it's a tiny set back. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 If they are 30 round mags, im not complaining. For the mp5k, id probably use only the short mags. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yeah the short ones are 30ish rounds. Also the Maruzen MP5K came with a short magazine as well so I guess they will be on sale on saturday this week then if they are shipping out. Look forward to initial impressions on arms-cool. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Out in HK now. I had a perv of one, but didn't get to fire it. It's heavy, and the plastic is very nice, no flex I could find. I'm waiting for my sd though. Link to post Share on other sites
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