calbur20 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 This is my initial review of the VFC UMP .45. While I have had this particular GBBR since May, events have transpired against me actually using it for a while which I will detail below. Many folks have been looking at VFC's second SMG GBB offering with great trepidation considering the whole mess with their gas powered MP5. I was initially not keen on the VFC UMP, but my brother overseas told me to buy one for him so I happily took his money (and some of mine) and bought one from a local retailer with a total of 4 mags for about $555 (yes, we get price gouged here when it comes to airsoft guns). The VFC UMP .45 comes in a nice, HK labeled box with one magazine, a suppressor, manual, hop adjustment tool and an extra recoil spring inside that promises to bring down the power level if you so desire. Chrony readings on an a F1 Chrony puts the power of the UMP at around 370 FPS, good enough for CQB here. First off, externals. The VFC UMP .45 is a lovely, lovely gun. Full trades everywhere, including the bolt. Proof marks on the left side. Of course, none of that was in doubt because the gun is made by VFC, who has a reputation of making excellent traded guns (while ignoring somewhat the internals, as far as gas powered weapons are concerned). The trades continue on to the magazine, which again, have the correct trades. Much like the real thing, the gun has several fire modes, which include a 2 round burst. The VFC UMP does not have forearm rails - it only includes a top rail where you can mount optics. The iron sights are similar to the ones included in the G36C. Picking up the gun, most users will immediately notice just how light the gun is. I don't have an exact number on exactly how light the gun is, but it's way lighter than a WE G36 or even a KWA MP9. Even the magazine is extremely light, which makes it an excellent choice for people looking for a gun they can run with. Loading the firing the UMP is similar to the real deal. You will need to lock the bolt back via the charging handle on the gun, insert the magazine then unlock the bolt again, via HK slap. You can also just insert the magazine into the gun, and charge it via the charging handle. Shooting the gun is a real pleasure, as it probably has the strongest blowback action of any GBBR I've ever fired. This is a result of the relatively light body on the gun, the extremely heavy bolt and the unique buffer on the recoil spring on the gun. The gun locks back on the last round. You can also fire the gun with the stock folded. The hop up is accessed in front of the gun via an allen key, similar to how you adjust the hop on an KSC MP7. The gun can be taken apart by taking out a pin on the back of the gun. Take that out, and you'll be able to access the lower receiver with the FCG. The funky recoil spring. The extremely heavy bolt. While the gun is beautiful externally, it did have a few problems right out of the box that prevented me from using it a month ago. As expected, the Achilles heel of the gun is the magazines, and in the UMP's case, it's the gas route bucking on top of the mag. All four of the gas route buckings on top of the gun ripped in a few shots, which completely infuriated me. It's a design flaw that's supposedly been fixed by now by VFC, and in their defense, they did send me replacement buckings for the ones that ripped for free, express via EMS, so kudos to them for that gesture. After fixing the buckings, the next problem that I encountered was that the magazines started to leak. So I opened the magazine up and reseated the seals on the bottom of the magazine properly, which seemed to fix the leaks on all the magazines. So far, so good. Another annoying thing with the gun is the hammer. The UMP uses a hammer with a roller. The pin that holds the roller in place is extremely lose, and has a tendency to walk out if you do not loctite it. I loctited mine with the red (permanent) solution, which also stopped the movement of the roller altogether, but it doesn't seem to affect performance at all. The spring on the trigger also managed to walk out during my first outing with the gun, but I managed to sort it again and loctited that sucker into place. No problems with the FCG now. As far as performance is concerned, the UMP managed to empty a full magazine (around 20 rounds, more on this later), in full auto, without any problems. With the new rubbers in place, the UMP did not exhibit any of the cool down problems that were evident in . One of the things that really annoyed me with the UMP's magazine (aside from the leaking problem) was it's stiff magazine spring. Seriously, it's extremely difficult to load more than 17 bbs in the gun because of the stiff springs, and I only really managed to load 20 rounds all in all into the gun. Might either cut the springs or find a way to replace them. I won't be putting accuracy tests on this review as I forgot my hop adjuster during yesterday's skirmish, suffice to say it's more than capable of putting rounds on target on a CQB setting. That's it for the review for now. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leothelion Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nice review calbur.. Every video ive seen of the UMP has had crazy cool down issues which put me off and the fact the mags can only hold 25 rounds. The HK slap nearly makes up for it I would be interested to find out acuarcy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Good review. VFC will be releasing very soon an aluminum carrier to increase gas efficiency and ROF. TSC already released theirs and the ROF did increase substantially...when it worked. My nozzle would constantly get stuck forward during semi and auto. Haven't really looked at it yet to determine issue. Just an FYI for those reading... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Looks like VFC are slowly learning... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calbur20 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 TBH, I may actually switch to that aluminum carrier because as much as I like heavy recoil, I like gas efficiency more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) I just can't give up on VFC GBBs... they look too good... and since for me the hobby of airsoft consist of 30% modding guns, 30% shopping, 39% looking cool and 1% playing in games... it seems to make sense to get one after this review... I might just wait for 3rd part gas route buckings to be released before I buy it, that or higher capacity magazines as well, if KWA Kriss can fit 50rd in their mags, they must be able to do it with this one way or another. *please post a video of this working in full auto after the fixes? Thanks! Edited June 25, 2013 by blobface 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DanhVc Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Nice review!!! .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zereck Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Well it seems VFC gbbrs will work fine as long as you live in hot places, otherwise you'll have to get CO2 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 *please post a video of this working in full auto after the fixes? Thanks! Sums up VFC really.... Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Sums up VFC really.... Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2 Sums up every GBBR manufacturer including WE, G&P, Bomber, INO, KWA, etc. Only Vipertech and V1 KJW M4 are the closest to 100% reliable OOTB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Sums up every GBBR manufacturer including WE, G&P, Bomber, INO, KWA, etc. Only Vipertech and V1 KJW M4 are the closest to 100% reliable OOTB. Hey, GHK AKs and the new G5 are the most cool down resistant guns I've owned and oh look, bankz dissing VFC on a VFC thread once again, awesome. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Hey, GHK AKs and the new G5 are the most cool down resistant guns I've owned and oh look, bankz dissing VFC on a VFC thread once again, awesome. My GHK AK is really nice but I had some jamming issues that were resolved with widening the bb feed lips and filing the chamber ramp. My G5 seems very nice but it has to continue to perform well before I can put it in the same class OOTB as Vipertech and KJW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 30% modding guns, 30% shopping, 39% looking cool and 1% playing in games That makes 91%, what are you doing with the other 9%, humping chickens? Either way good to see a manufacturer learning from past mistakes in a way. 'FireKnife' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 That makes 91%, what are you doing with the other 9%, humping chickens? Either way good to see a manufacturer learning from past mistakes in a way. 'FireKnife' Your math is bad and you should feel bad. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Now I don't believe you've actually got 57 pistols FireKnife ... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 That makes 91%, what are you doing with the other 9%, humping chickens? Either way good to see a manufacturer learning from past mistakes in a way. 'FireKnife' Uh... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Don't worry about him. Our schools are actually pretty good. Honest. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Don't worry about him. Our schools are actually pretty good. Honest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calbur20 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Video of full auto dump: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Yeah okay I want one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 LOL, funny stuff FireKnife. I cant spell so I cant say much. Any how was about to pick one of these up the other day to compliment my KWA mp7, WE c36, KSC USPC and my vfc mp5 but felt in the end I would have to much HK stuff in my collection, but as far a performance goes its seems solid, defo more solid then the VFC mp5 which im scared to shoot now in case it breaks, the recoil is sick and the polimar body is very realistic and so far they seem to be holding up well (touch wood). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Yeah okay I want one. Yep, agreed haha. Seemed to vent a fair bit but the rate of fire held up just fine! LOL, funny stuff FireKnife. I cant spell so I cant say much. Any how was about to pick one of these up the other day to compliment my KWA mp7, WE c36, KSC USPC and my vfc mp5 but felt in the end I would have to much HK stuff in my collection, but as far a performance goes its seems solid, defo more solid then the VFC mp5 which im scared to shoot now in case it breaks, the recoil is sick and the polimar body is very realistic and so far they seem to be holding up well (touch wood). How's your VFC MP5? I'm increasingly tempted by one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I dont shoot it much, bought it for my collection, It shoots well but have read some reports on Arnies about broken hammers etc so dont realy want to risk it seeing as it a collection peace but there are upgrade parts available to make it more solid internaly. Its beautifull to look at with a very nice steel reciever and quality external parts, one of the best looking replicas around IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Video of full auto dump: Your ROF seems to be a bit higher than mine (TSC aluminum carrier?). Granted YT does wonky things with perceived ROF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calbur20 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 No upgrade parts. I did set the carrier to the lowest setting for felt recoil, that may be what sped up the ROF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.