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Fair enough.

 

Although I shouldn't imagine people would panic buy in airsoft like magazine / ammo shortage in the US when.. things happen... unless of course our porn banning government makes a move on us, then perhaps that might change our attitude a little..  but as for one company terminating the contract, well, PTS already has all the tooling, I'm sure those will be "lost" and products will re-surface elsewhere and sold under a different brand alias... 

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In some aspects I don't get it at all.
First of all I honestly doubt if this move can stop the flood of ACM clones of Magpul products. How? What is the point?
Second of all, it's completely illogical about AEG dedicated products because no matter what You do, it's impossible to use them on firearm. I mean PMAGs and pistol grips of course - two things in PTS offer, I consider some of the best airsoft products ever.
So, even if this way of fighting counterfeits makes some sense I can't see, still in this particular aspect there's really no sense to me in discontinuing ALL licensed products.
 

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So, what am I asking you and others to do? I'm saying do nothing. Don't go out panic buying every piece of PTS product you can. I'm saying ignore these third party 'I got it from a solid source' bull ###### statements.

 

 

Like the huge piece of solid source two posts up from yours?

 

Well that's a huge shame. Hopefully in the future we'll see PTS products that are magpul in all but name, much like the cleverly worded Arnies news post about the erg.

 

In the meantime, best buy me some Pmags.

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Im curious how this will effect PMAGs for the KWA LM4, they're already slow as Hell to restock, will they ever be if they do indeed lose their license? Hmmm...

 

This is definitely a large blow to the AEG and non-US airsoft community though if its true. Their Magpul products were always top notch and now a lot of users will have to purchase lower grade products.

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Like the huge piece of solid source two posts up from yours

With all due respect, and not mentioning any names, but let's just say it was similar 'solid sources' making doomsday statements about no more KWA Kriss Vectors, so yeah, including the solid source two posts up from mine!!

 

When I hear UNOFFICIAL, it equals RUMOURS.

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Yes "official" that will work. "WMD in Iraq" was official too. :lol:

 

ERG Pmags might have a chance in life. after all IF it only works on the ERG, it won't be ACM copy worthy because it won't sell in large quantities.

Plenty of mags out there that aren't being copied because there is barely any money to be made from them.

 

I understand Magpuls point of view, but I would appreciate it more if they would take steps to make international purchases of real Magpul parts easier.

 

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I understand Magpuls point of view, but I would appreciate it more if they would take steps to make international purchases of real Magpul parts easier.

In their defense, it is not their fault their products are classified as ITAR restricted.

 

 

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In their defense, it is not their fault their products are classified as ITAR restricted.

 

 

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True and we all know ITAR= no sense.

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I'm surprised this hasn't come up during discussions yet, but I'd assume this would also have implications on any additional production runs for models such as the ACR, PDR & FMG, which is pretty unfortunate, no matter what your stance is on their accessory line.

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With all due respect, and not mentioning any names, but let's just say it was similar 'solid sources' making doomsday statements about no more KWA Kriss Vectors, so yeah, including the solid source two posts up from mine!!

I'm not sure I follow this comment since I have never made unofficial nor official statements regarding KWA Kriss Vectors. I do not now nor have I ever worked for KWA and the matter regarding their situation with Kriss is none of my business. So I don't really understand the implied logic of your statement.

 

Ironwolf, yes, not only accessories, this will absolutely also affect future (or lack thereof) productions of ACRs, PDRs, FPGs and any AR15 type gun with a Magpul style billet receiver.

 

A couple other points, the Magpul items being pulled off the HK PTS stores shelves was to fill the massive order placed by the exclusive US distributor. When the US distributor found out what was coming they placed a huge order that exceeded current stocking items. When they found out their order would be short, they wanted to buy up everything that was available. Hence why the items on PTS store shelves were immediately pulled.

 

The Magpul replica items made by PTS are not all of a sudden considered "illegal for sale". A better way to consider them is "discontinued". If you see a PTS Magpul item in an airsoft store, that is perfectly fine. Retailers are not going to all of a sudden remove them from the shelves, but rather, gradually run out of licensed Magpul replica inventory as supplies dwindle.

 

Until this becomes "official" it is perfectly legal for you to buy locally or import into the USA (if you can find it abroad) licensed Magpul replicas as a consumer or dealer/distributor. When it becomes official, then it is essentially a gamble to see how up to date the US customs agents are and how thorough they are.

 

As for why this would not only affect stocks and accessories that can go on GBBRs and real guns, but that it also includes AEG accessories (AEG PMAGs, grips, etc) well that is because for Magpul it's all or nothing. They know that if a US customs agent opens up a package/shipment and it had an assortment of Magpul AEG products mixed in with Magpul GBBR products, that the US Customs agent isn't going to have the patience and/or knowledge to sort through all that. So the safest option is a blanket ban on everything that says and/or appears to be Magpul related. It's harsh. And I'm skeptical about how successful it'll be in stopping the counterfeits but that's wholy their problem.

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In response to uscmCorps, I wasn't referring to you, more I was referring to your status as an 'informed solid source'. I shall provide this quote and then I'm done commenting in this thread.

 

Nope... KWA is done.  They can no longer produce and distribute the GBB Vector.  Nor the AEG version that's in the work since last year.  I know.... I was there.

 

Perhaps a better question should be asked "What did Yih Kai (KWA's manufacturer and owner) have done to ###### off Kriss?"  

 

There is not much more I can say publicly at this moment.  But I will say this.... what they did, not only cause one person to quit US office.  More than HALF of KWA staffs in US have QUIT their job.  Think about that.

 

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Unless I'm mistaken, the way the ERG is designed the new ERG Pmags will work in regular AEG's.

Because that was kinda the point of having interchangeable mag compatibility, no? Sucks about the 60 round max though.

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it's the other way round. The ERG will take regular AEG mags, but without the bolt stop function. The ERG mags work only in the ERG.

 

Speaking of which, is the ERG completely exempt, or does it just have a longer "shelf life?"

 

As far as consequences go, it sucks ballz for anyone interested in Magpul replicas, be it AEG or GBB.

Most accessories will likely see a huge step up by clone companies, stocks, grips and the whole deal. Guys in the US can still buy regular magpul stuff, everyone else will likely revert to clones. Unfortunately, magpul won't see a cent of all those sales, but I can't say I'm sorry.

 

Mags...I suppose we'll see clone Emags and maybe even G36 mags in the not too far future. After all, the ACM people don't have PTS breathing down their necks any more.

GBB users, well I supose the G5 mags will be the polymer mags of choice. Maybe GHK will even make the next generation of them look like Pmags again.

 

Yes, magpul may be stopping the influx of replicas into the US, but they're totally cutting themselves off from the international market, which they had previously access to through PTS.

Funny, didn't expect them to be cut'n runners...

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Actually, I think regular AEGs can use ERG PMAGs as well, except the bolt stop feature will have obviously no effect. I should have checked the other day when the production samples came in. I'll check this coming week.

 

As for ACM cloners having it easy now, that's not entirely true. PTS is still involved in anti-counterfeiting just as they were before and that includes the Magpul brand still. Furthermore, it is my understanding that Magpul now has a dedicated lawyer in HK addressing these issues. The difficulty they still face will be dealing with any ACM production in China, however you won't be seeing ACM product flowing through the HK dealers any time soon. It shouldn't be easier to get ACM product now, if anything it'll "theoretically" be more difficult. Time will tell obviously.

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It would be quite a shame if Magpul stopped making airsoft products. It's one of those manufacturers that has some really unique items and they aren't expensive at all. Although I don't like all of their items, they do have things that I really like, especially their magazines for AEG's. But we'll see how it all turns out. They haven't released an official statement after all.

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I'm just extremely glad that the market and selling of modern RS parts (primarily for ARs) has picked up the way it has in the UK over recent years, otherwise we'd be back to a time I don't wish to revisit.

 

I will sorely miss the highest quality AEG/EBBr magazines currently on the market, the pistol grips, ASAPs, LM4 internals and various other airsoft-specific parts.  The much greater stock level and ease of access to the other parts was certainly a bonus as well; the prices differences vs. RS stock/handguards etc had narrowed significantly over the last year or 2 but there's still going to be a lot of skirmishers who've no desire for the real thing and would've been a lot happier with the PTS replicas.

 

The thread on this topic over on the-forum-that-must-not-be-named is pretty damn hilarious yet depressingly pathetic & homophobic all at the same time.

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This is unfortunate, both for the Airsoft community at large as well as PTS. No matter how much they've diversified unless they can get a miracle licensing agreement from somebody like LaRue this is likely the death knell for the company.

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This is unfortunate, both for the Airsoft community at large as well as PTS. No matter how much they've diversified unless they can get a miracle licensing agreement from somebody like LaRue this is likely the death knell for the company.

I know I said I wasn't going to further comment, but......

 

Why does any airsoft company NEED a lice sing agreement? What the hell happened to innovation?

 

APS UAR rifles

GHK G5 rifles

ICS CXP rifle type

 

To name but a few. Maybe companies like PTS whose entire market presence is based on lice sing agreements need to rethink how dependant they are on forces beyond their control. Sure it's easy money, especially if you can get in with a successful brand, but how much control do you have over your own future.

 

Not just companies, perhaps its time for airs offers to reassess just how closely we wish to follow the real steel market? I know' I know, the original premise of airsoft was realism and suspension of disbelief..... But maybe its time to move on and evolve. Events like this and the Kriss affair should be teaching us all valuable lessons.

 

Pardon my spelling....f-ing Nexus pad!

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I know I said I wasn't going to further comment, but......

 

Why does any airsoft company NEED a lice sing agreement? What the hell happened to innovation?

 

APS UAR rifles

GHK G5 rifles

ICS CXP rifle type

Awww, please...

I don't deny there is some interest for such a products within airsoft community, but still most of us prefer real firearmps replicas instead of products being supposed to look like one or other.

And there was a lot of talking about RS world opening to airsoft after last Shot Show...

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I know I said I wasn't going to further comment, but......

Why does any airsoft company NEED a lice sing agreement? What the hell happened to innovation?

They don't NEED licensing, it's just those licenses bring products that a certain market share want, and are willing to pay top dollar for.

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The main thing, even as a Masada owner, that I would miss is their midcaps, as others have said they are the nicest ones on the market that I have tried!

 

Heres hoping PTS simply change the shell design (the bit which makes it Magpul) and re-release them under the PTS banner... I wont have a problem using them as long as they work as nicely as the ones I have now and will buy them happily knowing not one penny will go to Magpul in future.

 

(remember read this as someone who gave a great deal to Magpul to buy and accessorise a PTS Masada :))

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@USMC:

I was speaking only about sales outside the US. Getting clone stuff inside the States will likely be more difficult, but outside. Since there is no more license out there, even German customs (who barely believable are even more anal then US customs about licensing etc) won't say anything.

 

Is there a store somewhere in europe that actually stock RS magpul stuff?

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