Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Dont get me wrong I can see why people prefer the g&p. I think they missed a trick in only selling it as a kit rather than a bare version as well at a lower cost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Have you told G&P this? You never know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Would assume they must know as they will have known about the AG kits longer than we have. Think its just G&P aiming for diff section of the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 What section would that be? As surely they are aiming at a market that has already bought the M870. Angry Gun don't make stocks or grips for the ar market do they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Think G&P are aiming more at the people who will just buy the kit and only fit stuff that comes made for the 870. AG have produced something for people who allready have the grip/stock combos. I think if you bought a G&P kit and fitted it to a new 870 it works out less than buying an 870 then the AG adapter THEN a stock and GBB pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 See it angry gun made at grips and stocks, and didn't include them with their version for the M870 (stock adaptor), then we'd see they would or wouldn't include them. Seeing as they can't include them (ar grip and stock), they don't have the option to have them in their stock adaptor kit. If you get my meaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I know what you mean. But if AG were wanting to go down a kit supply they could prob have got 3rd party stocks and grips for $50 or so. I just think G&P have went for the bolt and go crowd and AG have gone for the "we know half of you wont use what we supply anyway so why bother" route Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 You really like the angry gun version don't you . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not so much that mate as dont see why G&P didnt release similar to AG and force the costs down further. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BerserkDS Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I posted this in the news thread for the g&p adapter. There's a trick for it to hold more gas. Remove tube, fill. Insert tube. Then fill from the top valve on the adapter base. You can physically hear it fill. This should make it hold a considerable amount more gas. Haven't had time to actually do a shell count yet though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 You could say the same of most aeg/gbb that are released (M4's mainly), as they could be sold at a lower price if they just sold the basic upper and lower with a gear box or bbu unit, with no grip or stock etc. Are you saying you would have bought the G&P over the angry gun, if it didn't come with the grip and stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Personally I wouldnt have as I like the flush look of the AG but I would be a large sum of money allot of people would take the g&p without the stock / grip as it would be pretty similar in cost to the AG but arguably with the greater reputation / marketing of G&P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arne71 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) I also have one and have a slight leak that developed after a full days use. Bleedout, what type of fiddling have you done? My gun currently has a leak that soundslike the gas is running through the body and sometimes stops after being fired and then starts again a couple shots later. +1 Are the SAT inner barrels likely to give an increase in fps, as they are 6.01? Edited July 10, 2014 by arne71 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onizuka-gto Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Seems like the Angry Gun version of the pistol grip holds more gas, while the G&P has interchangable gas tanks, but can also refilled while still inside. Check out the comparison at RedwolfAirsoft video: ...i'm...torn now. I like the Angry Gun low down cheek rest, but at the same time, find it a hassle to buy the extra furniture that will be limited (For pistol grip/only GBB M4 style) so it'll practically be just the same price as the G&P. But from AngryGun has a more elaborate attachment procedure then G&P... difficult choice... Edited July 11, 2014 by onizuka-gto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Had totally forgot about the G&Ps actual swapable tank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Why not both (cost and redundancy aside )? I'm not sure which version I prefer to be honest. Think I would have to have a play around with both to get a feel. Which is a shame as I doubt there will be anywhere local stocking both kits. Knowing my luck by the time I sort funds for even a base 870 TM will have released their own pistol grip slider. And that tasty Breacher mmm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'd go angrygun. You can pick up a GBB style m4 pistol grip for less than $100HKD and an M4 stock will be peanuts to find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Aye but it depends on where I'd prefer my stock to sit surely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleedout Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Indeed. Using the G&P I thingk would position you similar to using an AR platform where the lower sitting AG will be more like an AK / full stock position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) I would have thought it would be the other way around? G&P more like a full stock AK and the angry gun more like an AR with a full stock (a full sock AR, with a non-removeable carry handle/rear sight)? The AR's rear sight always seems (well, to me it seems higher) higher, than an AK's rear sight. Haven't had an AK to a few years now, maybe I'm remembering it differently. . . Edit:- just watched the Redwolf comparison video. I can't take what they say seriously, as the bloke with the extreme gelled back hair, has already made a video, saying how much he hates the G&P version. So the comparisons, even before it starts, are biased. Edited July 11, 2014 by Habakure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Edit:- just watched the Redwolf comparison video. I can't take what they say seriously, as the bloke with the extreme gelled back hair, has already made a video, saying how much he hates the G&P version. So the comparisons, even before it starts, are biased. Well, they're both biased; they're both trying to convince you to buy something. I reckon the extra volume of the Angry Gun was well demonstrated there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) But in other videos the capacity (gas) was less? Also, it's been mentioned before, there is a nack to filling up the G&P version. Which in the video, they don't show (they kind of hint at it though). Also, the bloke trying to sell the G&P version, kept mentioning the angry gun version more. Which is why I said its a biased comparison. Edit:- and I'm biased as I have the G&P version, so by default, I'm going to vouch for that one. But am not like that, if a version is better (in more than one area) then I'll buy that one (I could always sell the G&P version to buy the angry gun version). I think I'd like to see a video were both version are filled with 144a and fired with bb's till they're empty (doesn't have to be side by side but all done in one take). Edited July 11, 2014 by Habakure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
point_7 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 is there ant spare outlet valve for the gas tank out yet ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Back to back vs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Isn't that the same video that's posted a few posts above (on this page). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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