emp3ror86 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 You're the first person I've heard say much about bad QA or aesthetics at Vipertech. What's going on there? Maybe the first, but definitely not the last. No idea, either most reviewers were paid or incompetent, or VT decided to cut costs and fired the QA department. (I am yet to see a perfect VT some people claim they have, but no one showed evidence yet.) Fortunately my gun works well and my hammer pin has not broken yet. Link to post Share on other sites
DrAlexanderTobacco Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/embed/ruJGs9DqnEs New video! Pewpewpew. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The title says "recoil kit test", so it won't be kicking like that when you first buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
northernairsofter Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 nom nom nom nom Thats 200 rounds in full auto with no cool down or stoppages. Im very impressed! Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 This video has to be released the day I buy a WOC! Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 That's WA/WOC on a warm day performance. Couple of stutters, slight slow-down at the end of the mag, evidence of vapour after a few mags... I'm not knocking the GHK, but a WOC will do that in 20c is all.... Link to post Share on other sites
kingdong Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Bolt release engaged a couple times upon mag insertion aswell. Still impressive, I do like GHK products though, I currently use there GEN2 magazines and they're definitely the go to mags for me. Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 See knowing GHK any minor kinks in the WA (such as the hop not being great out the box in most cases) will be worked out, but I'm just not sure I'd call it impressive... If it had chewed through all 5 mags without any noticeable slow-down, vapour, or premature bolt release/the odd stutter, I would have been genuinely impressed. It's just not exactly groundbreaking is all. I don't mean to sound like I'm against the thing or anything, and it'll definitely be better priced than a similarly spec'd WA... It's just not going to come with G5 levels of performance is all. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I wouldn't call myself a GBBR specialist, but people are talking about 200rnds being a great thing?!? In actual fact apart from guns with really bad internals, the performance in those terms really comes down to the magazines! If the guy had speed loaded a single magazine and had the same performance we saw in the video....well, that would be impressive, what I saw was a single magazine dumping 40rnds......whoopee, the fact he had five of them told me nothing about the individual magazines ability to withstand cool down. I would expect my AGM to dump five fresh magazines as well, again, whoopee. In the end I'm not really sure what the value of this video is, other than to prove that GHK are developing an M4 platform.....news flash, there's loads of them out there, and so far, they all seem as good as the GHK version. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Yeah I was going to say that, it's the mags that suffer from most of the cooldown, not the gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Here is a video with the Co2 mags. Also, hop up in the rail system? Not bad compared to other GBBR hop up accesses... When is the release date on this thing? Still in prototype mode?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZulgzj6xSU Link to post Share on other sites
Krydel Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Hop up adjustment inside the rail system would be incredibly annoying if you were to put anything other than the stock handguard on it. Dismantling a free float rail every time you wanted to change the hop would be a ballache. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Is it just me or does the recoil spring look a bit anaemic? Doesn't exactly snap forward. Also steel bolt is great and all, but what about the UK where it is frequently less then 20 Celcius outside? Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Hop up adjustment inside the rail system would be incredibly annoying if you were to put anything other than the stock handguard on it. Dismantling a free float rail every time you wanted to change the hop would be a ballache. It's in exactly the same place as every WOC rifle. The idea is you set the hop once and don't go back! Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 That's a WA hop system, outer barrel, nozzle, bolt... Everything about that is WA system. Exactly the same placement and method of adjusting the hop, the FCG looks almost exactly the same, the BCG is exactly the same around the gas key area with how the nozzle retracts into the carrier. None of that is a bad thing, but it's nothing at all new or special unless they've got unicorn dust in the nozzle or something. Also, like Eisenhorn said, the G&P/WA style hop system (which I'd put money on the GHK using, perhaps modified for AEG buckings) is extremely good at holding it's setting and quite a well designed piece of kit - Saying that, I'd also be willing to put money on this thing taking the Prime AEG compatible rear adjusting hop, and other rear-adjusting designs available for the WA platform. Link to post Share on other sites
Krydel Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ah, fair enough, never looked into GBB M4s too closely. Nonetheless, still very irritating. KWA managed to get the hop in a much more convenient place on the LM4, notwithstanding the performance or otherwise of the unit itself, which just seems to make sense for an adjustable hop. Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 notwithstanding the performance or otherwise of the unit itself That's the magic bullet that kills it, though. The GHK AK uses the same wheel (albeit where the chamber is) and mine has yet to move on its own. I'll definitely be saving some dosh to put down after these have been out for a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 To be honest, the lm4 worked fine until it reached around the 2000 round mark. Eventually , it becomes very inconsistent and starts flying from 150 ft to 50 ft. Also, ripping this thing on full auto works well in the beginning but eventually it starts venting gas. I've probably been through 3 lm4s, some upgraded and I've had a brand new stock lm4 which worked fantastic until a few months later. Soon, the bolt catch wears out and you have to do ur mod, along with some feeding problems that inevitably occur over extended use. Not a big deal to me but compound that with performance issues, I slowly stepped away from the lm4 platform. I still think it's great for what it does though. But these were my annoyances with that system. That being said, they were better than the g&p woc in my opinion. I hope this ghk will more consistent in performance but who knows. I'm glad I still have my tm mp7 around. 10,000 rounds with no cleaning or maintenance but of course I only used duster in it. However, I really am looking for a good gbb m4 to stay. Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Did your nozzle return spring eat itself? Link to post Share on other sites
Fox62 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 That's WA/WOC on a warm day performance. Couple of stutters, slight slow-down at the end of the mag, evidence of vapour after a few mags... I'm not knocking the GHK, but a WOC will do that in 20c is all.... With a steel bolt carrier? Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 With a steel bolt carrier? Material does not matter, it's the weight that does. Link to post Share on other sites
Fox62 Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Material does not matter, it's the weight that does. I was assuming the same weight (or at least hwagan was - he's the one who said it's pretty much a WA spec'd BC). So yes, a WA on a steel bolt carrier, since the efficiency ones are usually aluminum. According to the demo this gun's is steel. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 My hope is that the steel bolt would perform well enough for at least half of the year in the UK, and the rest of the time we'd be able to use CO2 mags. Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoBiscuit Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 My hope is that the steel bolt would perform well enough for at least half of the year in the UK, and the rest of the time we'd be able to use CO2 mags. Steel components seem to be the main differentiator with this, no? Everyone seems to be expecting this thing to rainbows and lay unicorn eggs, but steel parts seem like enough. What am I missing? All I want is something that doesn't need its internal parts replaced immediately. If it goes a couple thousand rounds and needs some kind of tune-up, well hey, that's realism for you, except a real M4 would get that far. Just piggybacking on your post, not directing this anywhere in particular. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Hmm not really, you can (or certainly could) buy WOCs with all-steel internals. Which are very good. The fuss is because it's GHK, and their G5 and AKs are excellent so people are expecting similar things from this. Don't get me wrong, it will very probably be great and Just Work out of the box, being GHK it'll be one of the best all round GBB M4s as it will have GHK's excellent new STANAGs, high quality parts, decent hop-up etc. all in one package. I can't, however, see it being lightyears ahead of the other GBB M4s. Link to post Share on other sites
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