Scotty H Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I had a feeling this was going to be a lemon so I invested in the Marui MP7 which is frankly quite brilliant. I was told the KWA/KSC is pretty much the same but having had a go with one last saturday at a site that it doesn't shoot anywhere near as accurate or as far and the plastic is like a shiny black. However, it is more gas efficient. Got to love the NS2 system. The Marui is the best MP7. It really is a shame that the VFC sucks so much, but I feel happy that my purchase is now justified Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hopna Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I guess I won't be buying any VFC GBBr then. Such a shame, as they look great. If only the performance was alright, I'd gladly buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steelfallenangel Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 What is up with VFCs having this cooldown issue? Wasn't this a problem that is still plaguing there UMP45 series? I love the look but up here in the mitten state we don't exactly have the warmest weather even in the summer so any Gbbs we use need to not have any cooldown issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crying Scum Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Wut! They still haven't learned from their past mistake (UMP45) and still sell GBBR with terrible cooldown. That's bad since most company, even low/medium tiers fix their new products so it won't experience the same problem, and VFC is a high tier company. Do they even have a QA tester, or even experienced GBBR makers in that factory?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Exactly! I mean how did the first person who fired it pre production not say hmmm I can't fire a whole mag this isn't right we'll have to change this. It's baffling how something like this can possibly be called finished!? Vega Force if you're reading this I will happily test your new products for you and tell you they're *suitcase* before you mass produce them. Maybe they have testers but they need to get their head out of their *albartroth* and grow a pair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Probotector Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Okay, guys, so let me tell you this. I have since gotten in touch with UMAREX and informed them about my issues with the VFC MP7. I told them that I tried it with 3 different sorts of gas as well as 6 sorts of BBs, most of them bio degradable. Now they assured me that during their longterm tests the VFC MP7 showed no cooldown issues, no misfeeding, no jams, nothing. This was done by using UMAREX own Walther airsoftgas as well as the Eliteforce non-bio BBs. I bought this combination to see if that had any effect on the MP7. Unfortunately it didnt. Actually I was only able to fire about 5-6 shots until it jammed every time. Started to hate this gun with a burning passion. Before getting any stupid ideas I sent it back to my retailer and I will replace it for something else. This will probably be my last VFC GBB ever. Haha, what a lousy (yet expected) answer from Umarex. Why should we believe their tests without any footage or authentified charts? Oh and sure, I'll use the goddamn smeery lube they sell as "gas" and their rebranded BB's. VFC, please stay with AEG's. The work superb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crying Scum Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Haha, what a lousy (yet expected) answer from Umarex. Why should we believe their tests without any footage or authentified charts? Oh and sure, I'll use the goddamn smeery lube they sell as "gas" and their rebranded BB's. VFC, please stay with AEG's. The work superb. That's the sole reason why I don't trust manufactures so called "testing", almost same things applies on store and sponsored reviews. I rather check people whom have no affiliation with the store or manufacture, who actually bought with their own hard earned money for reviews and testing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 That was an unexpected twist... going as far as returning the gun altoghether.. Good info though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steelfallenangel Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Now could it just be this division of VFC? Cause isn't Stark Arms just a subsidery of them and they have made what many tell ime is a amazing glock. Maybe they should start bringing those guys in if they aren't being affliated with these new GBB offerings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alkany Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Interestingly enough the shop where I bought it from and to which I am a regular customer told me that they checked it upon receiving it back. Result was that the jams and double feeding were solely due to a fully engaged hop-up. Are they really serious? I have shot it, both without any hop and with normal hop. Using about 7 different brands/kinds of BBs and 4 different gases. It did not even shoot straight anymore at the very end. I removed the barrel and had a look inside the hop up chamber. It seemed to have loosened a bit, but i tightened it up again. That did at least give it the range and accuracy that it had at the very beginning, however, it did not solve the double-feeding and jamming. Dont know why these retailers cant be honest about such poor products sometimes. What is also ironic that the VFC MP7 Navy was out of stock before I sent mine back. Now they issued me a refund and they have a single one in stock again. Poor chap who gets it next. Guess he wont be much happier either Edited January 27, 2014 by Alkany 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fox62 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Interestingly enough the shop where I bought it from and to which I am a regular customer told me that they checked it upon receiving it back. Result was that the jams and double feeding were solely due to a fully engaged hop-up. Are they really serious? I have shot it, both without any hop and with normal hop. Using about 7 different brands/kinds of BBs and 4 different gases. It did not even shoot straight anymore at the very end. I removed the barrel and had a look inside the hop up chamber. It seemed to have loosened a bit, but i tightened it up again. That did at least give it the range and accuracy that it had at the very beginning, however, it did not solve the double-feeding and jamming. Dont know why these retailers cant be honest about such poor products sometimes. What is also ironic that the VFC MP7 Navy was out of stock before I sent mine back. Now they issued me a refund and they have a single one in stock again. Poor chap who gets it next. Guess he wont be much happier either Well, didn't you write back to Umarex telling them you tried the product with their ###### gas and BBs and it still didn't work? And to the shop that you did all these tests, and that you'd like to know if it's possible to arrange them testing the gun in person with you? Dude, you gotta screw over lying dumbs like these. Not just come complain here on Arnies! Edited January 27, 2014 by Fox62 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Exactly! I mean how did the first person who fired it pre production not say hmmm I can't fire a whole mag this isn't right we'll have to change this. It's baffling how something like this can possibly be called finished!? Vega Force if you're reading this I will happily test your new products for you and tell you they're *suitcase* before you mass produce them. Maybe they have testers but they need to get their head out of their *albartroth* and grow a pair. Got to say my one came in the post today and I rattled its very 1st magazine off on full auto without so much as a hint of gassing out, it even had gas left to spare. So while I empathise with the likes of Alkany who's MP7 won't get through one mag even on semi, it just goes to show you can't judge an entire line purely on the strength of one bad experience. I do have to concede one point though, mine did hav e a couple of mis feeds on the second magazine of auto, but runs as sweet as a nut on semi, I'd like to strip it back and investigate but, I'm not going to be the 1st and bust something....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 That's good to hear mate. It seems you are very lucky as you are the first of 6 users I've seen/read to use the weapon and manage to achieve that. Put some rounds through it and give us another update. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Hate to say I told you so. Its not VFC hating from me its just fact coupled with my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 That's good to hear mate. It seems you are very lucky as you are the first of 6 users I've seen/read to use the weapon and manage to achieve that. Put some rounds through it and give us another update. I will do mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=6E591A0F1D9DE6B!2282&authkey=!AK8Dl6N9qrznZkQ&ithint=video%2c.mp4 Before anyone pipes up, both the mag and my room are stone cold, did a few test runs before switching on camera, didn't want to make a complete tit of myself...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alkany Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 First magazines went a lot better with mine as well, but the more rounds I put through it the worse it got. I would suggest you test it at least for another two weeks or so and see how it goes. If its still performing like that I would assume that the rest of the other experiences VFC MP7s I read about or saw on the web so far might have been from a different batch. Also, what gas and BBs were you using? Very important with this gun. Unlike the KWA guns which actually work with most gases. Glad yours works so well though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Probotector Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Alkany, have you by any chance discovered wear on parts? Double-feeding may have been caused by the feeding lips of the magazine (the VFC MP5 series had this problem). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm using Propane and Blasters. You saying that I've noticed that the retaining tabs on the magazine are bloody tiny, I wonder if yours are worn, not giving you a decent seal on the nozzle. Have a go at firing it with the mag resting on a table and put some weight on it. You say you removed the barrel and hop from yours may I ask how you did it as I'm dying to get inside mine and see if a simple change of hop rubber would stop its misfeeds. I notice from looking down from the rear that the hop rubber configuration seems to be similar to those on my modded MP5s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alkany Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Alkany, have you by any chance discovered wear on parts? Double-feeding may have been caused by the feeding lips of the magazine (the VFC MP5 series had this problem). I no longer have the gun in my possession as I got so frustrated with it that I sent it back for refund. As far as I recall everything was fine, there was no wear whatsoever. This must have been the case anyway as the retailer classified it as "practically" new and magically had a single one for sale again after I sent mine back I'm using Propane and Blasters. You saying that I've noticed that the retaining tabs on the magazine are bloody tiny, I wonder if yours are worn, not giving you a decent seal on the nozzle. Have a go at firing it with the mag resting on a table and put some weight on it. You say you removed the barrel and hop from yours may I ask how you did it as I'm dying to get inside mine and see if a simple change of hop rubber would stop its misfeeds. I notice from looking down from the rear that the hop rubber configuration seems to be similar to those on my modded MP5s. Remove the flashider and front plate. Remove the pins from the body and pull the entire blowback assembly. This should give you access to the barrel and hop-up unit if I remember correctly. As said above, I no longer have this gun. Got a full refund for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 After looking it over closely with a view to bravely stripping down I now know why the VFC MP7 is so underweight. Every single piece of internal furniture is bloody plastic, hop unit, outer barrel, gas system, even the right hand fire selector is plastic. I know it saves money using plastic, but why when they replicate the gun itself so well would they skrimp on a bit of weight? It probably wouldn't make it 100% RS weight but I'm sure it would have been a damn sight closer than it is now!! Roll on Crusader steel upgrades!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steelfallenangel Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I guess because they know people will pick it up anyway and throw in aftermarket parts to get it where they want it. Same as the WE M14 (unless theyve gone through a major overhaul). The platform is alright but design flaws and choice of materials plague it. (that damn two piece trigger box). Like how you'd have to buy the RA=tech one piece pretty quick. Yet people still buy the WE. So I guess VFC decided if people were willing to shell out 2-300$ on a rifle they know will likely have a failure within the first year that they'd be more than willing to do the same with a better brand name like VFC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hardly a 'better brand name' every GBBR they have released performs as well as an 89 year old in bed with a model! For clarifcation, it ends in a mess. At least you can actually use a WE out the box for a while and will be cheaper. On my phone, my spelling will suck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I guess because they know people will pick it up anyway and throw in aftermarket parts to get it where they want it. Same as the WE M14 (unless theyve gone through a major overhaul). The platform is alright but design flaws and choice of materials plague it. (that damn two piece trigger box). Like how you'd have to buy the RA=tech one piece pretty quick. Yet people still buy the WE. Wut. This is obviously VFC trying to keep their profit margins high by switching over to using plastic in their molds rather than pot metal. People buy WE because it's within a certain price range and they don't tend to break as quick as the other low-end guns; or they make a particular GBBR that no one else makes (SCAR, M14, etc.). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tisane Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hardly a 'better brand name' every GBBR they have released performs as well as an 89 year old in bed with a model! For clarifcation, it ends in a mess. At least you can actually use a WE out the box for a while and will be cheaper. On my phone, my spelling will suck. I'd love to hand you any of my VFC GBBRs for a day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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