BattleForceTactical Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 So I was reading through "TheFirearmBlog"(.com) and come across an article talking about Reservists who have been issued the Diemaco C8 (Colt Canada C8) which is designated the L119.. Although this isn't the average L119A1 the SAS/SRR/SBS have been using this is a new designated one which may be the A2 or A3 model and have a 10" barrel and an enlarged mag well. The article focused on the British army defense focus magazine that featured these chaps using it. Here's the article: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/12/10/british-army-c8-cqb/ Pics from said article: On a slight sidenote however these pictures look like a little bit of Propaganda because the chap on the right of the first image is wearing a maroon beret and then on the latter a green one.. and said guy slightly resembles Travis Haley IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Those are two different guys, look at the facial structure, namely the chin. Link to post Share on other sites
BattleForceTactical Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Those are two different guys, look at the facial structure, namely the chin. Maybe its the angle I looked at it but I could swear they're the same guy. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well, If I could get an C8 Issued I would be so happy... Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wish that's what they'd offer lefties! Link to post Share on other sites
Multicam_Pegasus Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wish that's what they'd offer lefties! Learn to shoot like a real man or learn to enjoy being mashed in the face with the charging handle. just kidding. One of my buddies is a Lefty and had so much trouble with it when he was still in and they just got A1's just after I left! Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore1-6 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 C8's are issued to some close protection teams, in their entirety, hence the attached Int Corp chap in the second phot. He'll be there for HUMINT gathering or situational awareness. The thinking behind it is that it elevates the stature of the team and gives them an 'elite' look. You'd be less likely to take on a team of guys who look like they're SF than just a bunch of RMP bods with SA80s. The course is 'All Arms' and takes a variety of capbadges - reservists included. The last CP team I saw was predominently Rifles blokes, regular soldiers however. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 C8's are issued to some close protection teams, in their entirety, hence the attached Int Corp chap in the second phot. He'll be there for HUMINT gathering or situational awareness. The thinking behind it is that it elevates the stature of the team and gives them an 'elite' look. You'd be less likely to take on a team of guys who look like they're SF than just a bunch of RMP bods with SA80s. The course is 'All Arms' and takes a variety of capbadges - reservists included. The last CP team I saw was predominently Rifles blokes, regular soldiers however. C8's are also issued to CP teams because of the versatility of that weapon platform. The role of a CP team is vastly different to that of a standard unit and the C8 provides the best all round package for that job. Not sure how recent your knowledge is but I've heard through friends still serving that with the downgrading of op tempo the spaces for reservists on CP courses are becoming as rare as rocking horse sh1te?? Link to post Share on other sites
M4_Fanatic Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Not sure how recent your knowledge is but I've heard through friends still serving that with the downgrading of op tempo the spaces for reservists on CP courses are becoming as rare as rocking horse sh1te?? Yes and no. They're trying to reduce the number of reservists attending the regular CP course by implementing a reserves only CP course... needless to say that didn't work out very well! Last I heard is CPU is planning to scrap the 14 month course in favour of sending everyone in the future on the regular 8 week course - but there's only a limited amount of places for reservists per cadre. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Yes and no. They're trying to reduce the number of reservists attending the regular CP course by implementing a reserves only CP course... needless to say that didn't work out very well! Last I heard is CPU is planning to scrap the 14 month course in favour of sending everyone in the future on the regular 8 week course - but there's only a limited amount of places for reservists per cadre. Makes sense with the budget cuts. I know the SF BG course has been restricted for 21 recently as well due to the the cutting back of ops, although I have a feeling with the massive sh1tstorm going on in Iraq at the mo that operational commitments may pick up again. Link to post Share on other sites
Multicam_Pegasus Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Speaking of Iraq, we have some of my chaps out there doing security at places where its most appropriate. Got Six on shifts at a museum Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore1-6 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Knowledge is Herrick 18, so fairly recent. You'll be surprised at the versitility of all the forends that are issued to L85s these days - the new Gen 3 (i think) LLM is ninja. New night monocles are pretty nifty as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Knowledge is Herrick 18, so fairly recent. You'll be surprised at the versitility of all the forends that are issued to L85s these days - the new Gen 3 (i think) LLM is ninja. New night monocles are pretty nifty as well. Completely agree, the new rail system and ancillary's are brilliant these days, much better than the buckshee LSW rear pistol grip that I had bolted to my rifle hand guard on Herrick 6, lol. But in terms of a CP role/environment, despite in my opinion it being one of the best, if not the best assault rifle available to date, it's just not versatile enough because of it's right handed firing restrictions. I know now in the new CQB training guys are taught to switch to a weak side (left) shoulder while keeping the strong hand grip, but that is still no where near as stable as full weak side and grip weapon manipulation. And is very difficult to fire out of a vehicle like that. Where were you based on 18? Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore1-6 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The anti vehicle ambush drill I was taught with an L85 is to turn it 90 degrees on the shoulder, so the ejection port is facing upwards. Brings the barrel back about half a foot enabling you to blat rounds through the windscreen. In theory.. PM'd about basing on 18. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The anti vehicle ambush drill I was taught with an L85 is to turn it 90 degrees on the shoulder, so the ejection port is facing upwards. Brings the barrel back about half a foot enabling you to blat rounds through the windscreen. In theory.. PM'd about basing on 18. Yeah that's one way to do it, lol. It does work, I've had the opportunity to try it, without the windscreen though, but found it very awkward! Much easier with an M4/C8 or the L22. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Wouldnt turning it so the port is down and ejecting cases towards the floor be better as ypu wouldnt have brass bouncing off the car roof and burning people, putting off your aim etc? Link to post Share on other sites
Multicam_Pegasus Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Wouldnt turning it so the port is down and ejecting ranges towards the floor be better as ypu wouldnt have brass bouncing off the car roof and burning people, putting off your aim etc?If you're driving a RHD it might be a PITA, plus the last of your worries is someone getting burned from a few shells if you're under fire. from OpFor On the other hand I get what you're saying I'd rather the shells be in the vehicle for many reasons. There's also fabric, random cockpit gear like gear stick, any comm's etc that if the bolt was facing downwards could catch on. Having the bolt up and right, flat with the driver/passengers line of sight allows the shells to be flung over the shoulder and them to drive the gun forward across a dash or wheel. Having the bolt facing down could also be snagged on the dash if the gun is fairly forward My main concern is that 'in theory' you should be able to fire through the windscreen. Yet all CP roles I have seen/been on/sent guys out on have always been in bullet 'proof' (resistant) cars, namely Hiluxes and Landies which have 'Level IV+ NIJ' rated glass. (Vehicles are modded in the Midlands, seen the place most are done at) so how do the mod expect you to fire through such glass? Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Makes sense I was just thinking from the p.o.v that shells ejecting into the footwell round my feet would be better than them bouncing off the roof of the car and down into my shirt or onto my hands or across the vision of annother shooter. Mainly because in my limited shooting exp my aim went to *suitcase* when I got pelted with brass from a shooter in the next bay and I wouldnt be able to shoot at all with hot brass in my shirt. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 How does turning an L85 bring the barrel back half a foot? I can't picture it. Link to post Share on other sites
Multicam_Pegasus Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 How does turning an L85 bring the barrel back half a foot? I can't picture it. I assume he means turn it 90 degrees and put it flat on top of the shoulder. If you're sat on a car seat you'd be pressed back AFAP with the but stock flat with the seat that or flat with the shoulder/chest having it normal way round you're more likely to hunch around it forward (thing Magpul / streamline shooting to keep everything in and wrapped up to stop your elbow being FUBAR) Link to post Share on other sites
Infadel Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I think it may be because the Rear has a shallow curve but i'm sure it would only take a 1/4 Inch off unless it would miss where the vest would normally be... But i'm not yet forces so i'm possibly wrong Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Ah, recoiling against the seat back not your shoulder makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Wouldnt turning it so the port is down and ejecting cases towards the floor be better as ypu wouldnt have brass bouncing off the car roof and burning people, putting off your aim etc? If you were to turn the rifle so the ejection port was down you'd end up smashing your shoulder to bits and/or cause stoppages. What he's referring to is taking the rifle and resting it on your shoulder with the but pad up against your head rest/seat so that it shortens the overall profile of the rifle and is only really used by vehicle commanders in soft skin, white fleet (civvie) vehicles due to the limited space in the front and would only really be needed for a front contact. For example in Iraq in '03 my unit was driving around in un-armoured Mitsubishi Pajeros/Shoguns for escorting officers. If you're driving a RHD it might be a PITA, plus the last of your worries is someone getting burned from a few shells if you're under fire. from OpFor On the other hand I get what you're saying I'd rather the shells be in the vehicle for many reasons. There's also fabric, random cockpit gear like gear stick, any comm's etc that if the bolt was facing downwards could catch on. Having the bolt up and right, flat with the driver/passengers line of sight allows the shells to be flung over the shoulder and them to drive the gun forward across a dash or wheel. Having the bolt facing down could also be snagged on the dash if the gun is fairly forward My main concern is that 'in theory' you should be able to fire through the windscreen. Yet all CP roles I have seen/been on/sent guys out on have always been in bullet 'proof' (resistant) cars, namely Hiluxes and Landies which have 'Level IV+ NIJ' rated glass. (Vehicles are modded in the Midlands, seen the place most are done at) so how do the mod expect you to fire through such glass? The type of drive, whether it be left or right handed, isn't really a problem. It's only really the vehicle commander that would use this method due to the restricted space in the front of the vehicle. Sounds obvious and yet daft at the same time, but The drivers job in a vehicle is to drive and nothing else, unless that vehicle becomes immobilised. Shooting through the windscreen would also only likely be used if you had a road block or a heavy front contact and the driver at that point would be, or should be, concentrating on getting you back out the way you came. It's funny you say that hot cases is the last of your worries when under fire and it's true but having said that, I have seen a few soldiers hopping around mid contact due to a hot case down their bodyarmour, lol! Think there's even a video on YouTube of it happening out of the back of a Bulldog? You're absolutely right about the armoured glass being used in a majority of CP roles and as such this method wouldn't be used in an armoured vehicle for obvious reasons. As I said above it would only be used in a white fleet vehicle where there is no way of getting top cover up. With un-armoured ,military vehicles, such as Wolfs, you should always ensure you have allowed a way for someone to be on top cover to return fire if needed. I assume he means turn it 90 degrees and put it flat on top of the shoulder. If you're sat on a car seat you'd be pressed back AFAP with the but stock flat with the seat that or flat with the shoulder/chest having it normal way round you're more likely to hunch around it forward (thing Magpul / streamline shooting to keep everything in and wrapped up to stop your elbow being FUBAR) Exactly. The method creates another problem as well though, you need to watch your face on your SUSAT/optic as if you're not careful it'll give you a nice little surprise. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I got a hot case from a range rentap mp5 down my top between well.... it hurt so so much I was dancing around like a prat trying to flick the weapon onto safe and keep the barrel in a safe direction pointed downrange and get the case put without exposing myself or breaking my bra. This thread is really interesting and I have learned allot so thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I got a hot case from a range rentap mp5 down my top between well.... it hurt so so much I was dancing around like a prat trying to flick the weapon onto safe and keep the barrel in a safe direction pointed downrange and get the case put without exposing myself or breaking my bra. This thread is really interesting and I have learned allot so thank you. Lol, it hurts like hell! My mate still has a perfectly shaped 5.56 empty casing scar on his neck from one of my empty cases that got wedged between his body armour collar and neck in 2005! Link to post Share on other sites
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