tgellen Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 My initial impression of the Matrix (S&T) MG-42. I had this on pre-order from Evike since early October, I received one of the first batch, just after New Years. At $630 US I was a little apprehensive. It's not perfect........ 6 mm hole in drum mag, a couple of cross threaded screws and a few mangled slot screws. ...and some strange hammer marks. It's on par with A&K for quality as far as I can tell. Finish is nice, paint seems sturdy, low gloss. All non-magnetic metal except for the bi-pod, charging handle, barrel release latch (decorative) and the flashhider stop bar. It doesn’t appear to be monkey metal, my guess is aluminum. Real wood stock. It does seem to be sturdy. The flashhider has a plastic cone on an aluminum base for the US customers. I don't know if an all metal one will be available or if the RS one will fit. I haven't disassembled it, I'll leave that to others to do for review. But I did remove the grips and discovered the gear box. Note the bushings. XYT gears The Drum feeds well and keeps up with the rate of fire. Runs on four (4) AA batteries and I added a pressure switch to by-pass the defective sound activator. Easy to refill I chrono'd it with .25's and it averaged 370 fps at 1200 rounds per minute. Overall, I'm happy with it. I can't wait to field this. It sure is pretty.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Woah, the lower reciever IS the gearbox? That doesn't bode well for a DG conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 1200rpm IIRC is spot on with the early RS MG-42. Nice... coincidence? Looks good enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Woah, the lower reciever IS the gearbox? That doesn't bode well for a DG conversion. Maybe when Polarstar comes out with a recoil version, Bingo can chop one up and make it fit? Looks sexy though. Have you considered modernizing it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) lol, beyond putting a rail on top, not really. the 42 doesnt really suffer from ergo problems like a lot of other early designs. and im sure someone will murder me if i do put an AR15 stock on one. Edited January 20, 2014 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 If someone tried to murder you for that, you could just tell them to grow up.BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOOK AMAZING 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 +1 to the above! literally amazing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOOK AMAZING Well, the MG-42 is just a few cosmetic parts away from a modern MG-3. I hope someone will release an IdZ-kit for the S&T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Probotector Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks, now I'm dead. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) MG3 is alot smaller than an MG42 iirc. Oh and anyone putting a rail of M4 Stock or anything Magpul on one of these should be shot. Edited February 19, 2014 by BigAl 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) the MG3s are literally existing MG42s that were retrofitted with modern parts so that the german army doesn't have to buy new machine guns. Edited February 20, 2014 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's the same gun but in 7.62x51 NATO rather than 7.92x57 Mauser.Cosmetic differences include:MG3 bipod lacks the height adjustment screw that the MG42 has.MG3 flash hider looks different MG3 rear sight is graduated out to 1200m, the MG42 sight goes out to 2000m The MG3 also lacks the flip up AA-rear sight of the 42. There are separate AA-sights for the MG3, but they are not mounted on all guns. Feed tray is shorter (shorter round) and the way ammo boxes attach to the side is different. Top cover is also slightly different, but not by much. Newer MG3's have polymer buttstocks and grip plates, but older bakelite furniture is still correct.Blued steel is correct for both guns, while some newer MG3's have a dark gray parkerized finish.After the war, MG42's were slightly modernized into the MG59 and put to use in the West German Bundeswehr. A bit later, the 7.62 MG1 was developed, which then turned into the MG3. Most current MG3's were purpose built like that, and are not refurbished MG42's. All German MG3's are manufactured by Rheinmetal, while many other countries use guns manufactured in Turky and Pakistan. The Yugoslavian M53 is a straight up MG42 clone (same caliber too), the only visible difference being the wooden buttstock that's a lot more chunky than the MG42 and MG3 buttstocks.M53 parts (and demilled M53's) are a lot cheaper than original, genuine MG42 parts. So if you want real steel parts for your MG42, old Yugoslavian surplus is what you want to look for (except for the fugly M53 buttstock)*goes to put more rails, m4 stocks and magpul stuff on my Shoei MG3* 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sure someone made a scaled down version post war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 That is a very nice looking gun . Just curious , how much battery space and where. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mvirtue Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Has anyone successfully removed the brake/flashhider combo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mvirtue Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 the MG3s are literally existing MG42s that were retrofitted with modern parts so that the german army doesn't have to buy new machine guns. Those would be MG1A3s. When manufactured as new they were re-badged as MG3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Spain made a 5.56 version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Spain made a 5.56 version. Oh god, what's the cyclic rof on that like? Well, the MG-42 is just a few cosmetic parts away from a modern MG-3. I hope someone will release an IdZ-kit for the S&T This is what I meant by 'modernize'. I'd shoot you myself if you put an AR buffer tube on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 lol, it was a joke. i knew what you were talking about. ill keep it in mind for the future. but i only plan to do it once i can find all the MG3 modernization parts. i have found the modern muzzle device and top cover and Bakelite stock, however, i really want the adjustable stock and railed top cover. i cant find the carry handle/forgrip though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Oh god, what's the cyclic rof on that like? It could go between 850 and 1200 rpm depending on the weight of the bolt. The CETME Ameli was a good design, but only pre-production examples worked flawlessly. Production units had some changes made in order to make them cheaper and they caused them to fail miserably. Too bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100515173222/killzone/images/b/b1/StA3_LMG.jpg Modernize, you say? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 You know what? I want a GBBR CETME Ameli now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 i was thinking the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Osrso-Shoulder-Stabilizer-Load-Steadycam-Vest-Single-Handle-Arm-for-DSLR-DV-/200980501830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecb5f1546 Who will make a smartgun first? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
commander bond Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 A m4 car stocks would be cause to murder .Gold platting and a 2' suppresser would be killer though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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