chas Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 No, but the main difference would be a rail that starts at the stock adaptor, like the mesa tactical. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 But you don't need to change the rail, was my point. So no extra cost there. The prices are virtually the same, this is going to come down to reliability (which is always the big seller for me, unless only one company makes the rif that I want badly). Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 144$ for a stock and a grip? Not even by G&P. You can't really substract dollars from pounds 100 pounds is $160-170, so it's ~$80 difference. G&P stocks range from $30 to $100 with the average price being around $65. Add a G&P grip and you have the same total. Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 G&P IMOD with buttpad = $67 G&P IA Grip for WA = $27 When you do the math, that means that you're paying $150 for the rest of it - which doesnt sound too bad to me considering what you're getting for it. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Would be nice to just get the buffer tube kit on its own. I've got a spare IMOD stock and a pistol grip already. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 If they sell the kit on its own, it wont be 150$, thats what Im saying. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Hah, now Blobface is going to be p***ed off. As much as it would have been awesome to have developed it, I'm just glad it's now made, and it looks very similar to how I envisioned my hypothetical version, so will definitely be getting one, and the price is definitely reasonable considering the work involved, and that's a much more sensible position of fill valve than my two options as well, very nice. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 +1 to being able to get the kit on its own.. I don't want the stock or grip on my version.. Yes I can sell them on but I'd rather not have the hassle and just buy what I need! Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 "I have no doubt whatever chinese company is making the Marui 870 clone will make a whole gun with this as a default for less than just the kit." I thought that was your point Chas, that a clone maker will make the M870, with a collapsible stock, for less than the G&P kit? Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 If that happens, I can even see people buying the Marui original shotgun and the clone, just for the furniture. And you would even have free spares. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That's if the clone has the new style stock by G&P/Angry Gun. Pretty big if if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Yeah, I'm not sure where this idea that the clone would have this new-style stock has come from. Those parts look expensive and hard to make, and clones are not really about expensive and involved production processes for bespoke parts... Link to post Share on other sites
BioShocked Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Both the Angry Gun and G&P stocks are available for pre-order, but I'm gonna wait and see which is the better model before I drop £100+ Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Redwolf are saying it's in stock (see the other thread that's in the news). Got to resist buying it just incase there is an issue that needs addressing (which I hope isn't the case). Got a different stock already lined up (the grip looks pretty decent to me). Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 well its here ladies and gentlemen! http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Accessories_Grips_and_Stocks_Shotgun_Sniper_Rifle_G_P_Gas_Charging_Collapsible_Stock_Set_for_Tokyo_Marui_M870.htm does look quite nice Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Weird choice of stock for the G&P, in my opinion. Assuming that the fastest way to charge it up with gas is to switch out the cylinder in the buffer tube, why would you fit a stock where you can't access the rear of the buffer tube? Now you have to remove the stock to change the cylinder. Surely the logical stock choice would be a Colt-style one where you can access the rear of the buffer tube through the rear of the stock? To change the cylinder all you'd have to do would be collapse the stock all the way, rather than remove it. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Logical thinking actually.. I guess its a case of ergonomics over function.. Link to post Share on other sites
BioShocked Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 My big question about the G&P are how much are the addition cylinders going to be and how many shots are you going to get per charge. After loosing my but pad off my stock I am rather eager to get some form of replacement, and the m4 stocks would be a great option. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 It shouldn't be too hard to remove the stock, even under fire -- to be honest it can't be much worse than the stock system, plus you get the adjustable stock! :-) What happened to the charging port on the top of the stock extension? I guess that would've been too easy. Still, very tempted -- will wait for UK prices! Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Why would you need to remove the gas cylinder in the feild? Likely hood is it would cost the same if not more than a standard gas charger. Probably around the same size and far more useful. They stated the get more shots than the Marui tank so wheres the issue? On my phone, my spelling will suck. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I would not rate the angry gun version too high. I have their Tar21 rail. Granted it is cheap (38usd) but 2 screws were too small and one screw nut did not have any threading. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Why would you need to remove the gas cylinder in the feild? Likely hood is it would cost the same if not more than a standard gas charger. Probably around the same size and far more useful. They stated the get more shots than the Marui tank so wheres the issue? Well, unlike the Angry Gun (which you can only fill from the fill-port in the underside of the buffer tube) G&P added considerable complexity and cost with these removable cylinders. The only reason I can think of for doing so is that it's much faster to change the cylinder than it is to refill the installed cylinder from the fill port on the top of the gun; plus, those cylinders look much easier to carry in the field than a propane cylinder. If you're going to just jack a propane bottle to refill the gun, why would you introduce all the complexity, cost, potential leakiness and reduced capacity of the G&P system versus the Angry Gun one? Plus, just because it gets more shots than the TM one doesn't mean it's inexhaustible. If you're blatting away in 6-shot mode in CQB, you are eventually going to need to put more gas in the gun... Link to post Share on other sites
BioShocked Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 If I'm dropping £140 plus on a new gas system I wart to know if it's better than the one I have already got. Plus if I am going to have to buy mags how much more is that going to set me back. The angry gun one apparently holds two TM Gas mags worth in the tube, so around 200 rounds in a temperate climate. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Plus if I am going to have to buy mags how much more is that going to set me back. When you say mags, do you mean more cylinders for the stock tube (where the gas is held and can be removed)? Link to post Share on other sites
BioShocked Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Yes in this instance I'm referring to the cylinders Link to post Share on other sites
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