kenxin Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Time for some pics. Please ignore the GM costa glock, I got it out for the x300 clone but I thought it might make for a beautiful background. Now for some new info about this thing: - The rear sight at least is NOT RS compatible, at all. It has a screw hole that holds the BBU in place. So much for that. - The rotor on the hammer, pins on the frame, recoil guide rod and the slide stop are steel. - The front of the trigger bar appears to be welded (at least to me) - The bottom of the magazine (not the baseplate) is held on by 3 screws, the design of that seems somewhat weak to me, but I could be wrong. At least the screws are good quality stainless. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 So, new outer barrel. Angry Gun reckon the WE and VFC versions are compatible? http://www.bunnyworkshop.com.hk/airsoft/Angry-Gun/%20Angry-Gun-CNC-Tactical-Barrel-with-Thread-Protector-for-Cyber-Gun-WE-MnP9-14mm-CCW 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squad 701 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 The thickness off the RA Tech steel barrel for WE will not fit into the VFC, maybe with the narrower threaded barrel on the Angry Gun it will work, but it looks kind of cheaply finished - I could be wrong though ! But I don't trust this one barrel fits all release, and I was looking forward so much to getting a threaded barrel for the VFC I think I'll let someone else test the water on this one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) So, new outer barrel. Angry Gun reckon the WE and VFC versions are compatible? http://www.bunnyworkshop.com.hk/airsoft/Angry-Gun/%20Angry-Gun-CNC-Tactical-Barrel-with-Thread-Protector-for-Cyber-Gun-WE-MnP9-14mm-CCW WE: VFC: I have no idea on how these two can be compatible. Also, angrygun's barrel is aluminum, so I'll give it a pass for now. Edited April 24, 2014 by kenxin 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well these were my thoughts, it seemed fishy from the off, to say the least. I wouldn't have bought one either way on account of holster compatibility but it'd be nice to see it available for the platform, even if just for suppressed shots in the S&W pic thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Just got my M&P 9. Here are some comparison shot with my RS M&P 40. Unfortunately the RS back straps wont fit in the VFC due to the fact the tabs are different and the hammer assembly gets in the way. Edited April 27, 2014 by planeman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Great pics. Do you think a RS back strap can be modified to work with the VFC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Maybe but the problem is the hammer assembly is inside where the tab of the backstrap is supposed to go in on the VFC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Whut about the friggen sights ?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Whut about the friggen sights ?! Time for some pics. Please ignore the GM costa glock, I got it out for the x300 clone but I thought it might make for a beautiful background. Now for some new info about this thing: - The rear sight at least is NOT RS compatible, at all. It has a screw hole that holds the BBU in place. So much for that. - The rotor on the hammer, pins on the frame, recoil guide rod and the slide stop are steel. - The front of the trigger bar appears to be welded (at least to me) - The bottom of the magazine (not the baseplate) is held on by 3 screws, the design of that seems somewhat weak to me, but I could be wrong. At least the screws are good quality stainless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I am hearing and seeing other things from the exploded diagram etc. so I would like for someone with the RS pistol to actually check it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 The hex screw for the rear sight is bigger on the VFC, so I guess you need to make the hole bigger on the RS rear sight so it can work on the VFC. I read it is a *badgeress* to remove the set screw on the RS rear sight though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Unless I somehow got a different VFC M&P design, the BBU screws into the rear sight (a la marui glock). The hex screw on the sight is mostly decorative (it actually screws but serves no function). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) It's just so bizarre to me that they'd go back to that rear sight design after remedying it on the stark arms Glocks. Perhaps the difference in head space meant that they had to do the TM Glock way on the M&P as well. Edit: looking at planeman's pics again while the engravings aren't "perfect" (but pretty darn close and easily good enough for me), I'm struck by what a fantastic job VFC did of replicating the melonite finish. That is definitely something they did right compared to WE/HK3P's attempt. I've heard reports that this VFC isn't quite as good as the VFC PPQ, nor as snappy as the WE ... but at least it is apparently more reliable than the WE. Good enough for me. Edited April 28, 2014 by uscmCorps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 It is bizarre.... ah well. Some pictures to illustrate the point. First one of the sight itself taken by yours truly, with a camera that challenges cameras everywhere else to be as un-focused as itself. And now a picture taken from a japanese blog, edited by me: As you can see, the hex screw from the sight just pushes down on the BBU, while the screw that holds the bbu in place goes into the sight. Too bad, to be honest I was expecting the sights to be RS compatible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Man, it's like you took that first picture with a pin hole camera I made in primary school! jk Interesting. Well, if detonator or DyTac makes some 10-8 sight replicas I'll be happy. How's the front sight installed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Man, it's like you took that first picture with a pin hole camera I made in primary school! jk Interesting. Well, if detonator or DyTac makes some 10-8 sight replicas I'll be happy. How's the front sight installed? The camera itself works like a primary schooler made it. Anyhow... the front sight is held in place by a plastic post installed from the inside part of the slide, that's why everyone's sight feels spring loaded. It might be compatible with RS sights, however I don't have easy access to those so I can't provide more info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I have someone doing some modification work on my VFC slides, but I do have the remainder of the parts on hand including the frames and mags. I decided to test my RS M&P extended Arredondo mag base on it and it fit just fine (though too long for a gas nozzle to fit). [Click for larger version] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) A quick preview of the custom work I had done to my VFC M&P: [click for larger view] And here it is next to my RS M&P. The RS M&P work was done years ago by ATEi. The VFC M&P custom work was done a couple weeks back by a small shop in Hong Kong called Hero Arms which is in the Kwong Wah Street area: [click for larger view] Basically S&W serrations along the top and also at the front slides. On my RS M&P the idea behind the serrations is to assist in press checks, break up top slide glare, and to rack the slide one handed against a hard surface/your belt/your holster. Overall, I'm very pleased with the work. Hero Arms has been doing some incredible custom work at very reasonable prices. This work was done at my request based on hi-res pics I sent him of my RS M&P. The slide did require a little fitting since I only left them with the VFC slide and not the entire gun. Fitting mostly entailed removal of excess paint on the inner surfaces and contact points between slide and frame. This is actually one of two VFC M&Ps I had done. The other one is in the hands of a skilled local airsoft gunsmith who's taking a look at it for me. Hopefully there will be some more aftermarket support for the sights on these VFC guns. Better pics coming soon. Edited May 28, 2014 by uscmCorps 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Overall, I'm very pleased with the work. Hero Arms has been doing some incredible custom work at very reasonable prices. This work was done at my request based on hi-res pics I sent him of my RS M&P. The slide did require a little fitting since I only left them with the VFC slide and not the entire gun. Fitting mostly entailed removal of excess paint on the inner surfaces and contact points between slide and frame. This is actually one of two VFC M&Ps I had done. The other one is in the hands of a skilled local airsoft gunsmith who's taking a look at it for me. Any possibility of sharing how much Hero Arms charged? Also, how did they refinish the slide? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The hammer on my VFC full size broke after a bit over 1300 shots. The tab that retains the spring on the hammer just snapped clean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Any possibility of sharing how much Hero Arms charged? Also, how did they refinish the slide? It was around $400 HK per slide (US$52). That included machining, and repainting the slide. I don't know what they used to repaint it. It's about the same durability and coloration as the original paint. But for HK$400 that's perfectly acceptable to me especially since my ATEi work on my RS slides cost me around US$375 (US$285 for machine work plus US$90 for melonite refinishing). The finish HeroArms performed wasn't "perfect" as there were minor imperfections here and there but it was very decent and in spite of having to sand down the paint on the inside, overall it's been very acceptable to me. ATEi's price list for comparison: http://ateiguns.com/order/ HeroArms does not have a website. All orders need to be placed locally at this time. Edited May 28, 2014 by uscmCorps 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Damn.. I was expecting at least 100+ even from a place catering to airsoft, that's is seriously bloody cheap for that kind of one-off custom work 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 It was around $400 HK per slide (US$52). That included machining, and repainting the slide. I don't know what they used to repaint it. It's about the same durability and coloration as the original paint. But for HK$400 that's perfectly acceptable to me especially since my ATEi work on my RS slides cost me around US$375 (US$285 for machine work plus US$90 for melonite refinishing). The finish HeroArms performed wasn't "perfect" as there were minor imperfections here and there but it was very decent and in spite of having to sand down the paint on the inside, overall it's been very acceptable to me. ATEi's price list for comparison: http://ateiguns.com/order/ HeroArms does not have a website. All orders need to be placed locally at this time. What CKinnerley said Thanks for the info I think most people would pay that much just for the machining itself, let alone having it refinished. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) The finish isn't perfect but it's very decent. Better than WE's OEM offering that's for sure. It's almost a similar aesthetic to anodizing. Intinerious, since you're based in HK, if you want the same work done, download the pictures and ask Tim Chan the owner of HeroArms or the shop keeper lady to do the same work as they did for Alex in the USA and show them the pictures. They can also do laser engraving, different finishes (such as FDE) or different machining. I simply asked for something that replicated my real M&P. I'll post better pictures tonight. Edited May 29, 2014 by uscmCorps 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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