Tokyo Marui HK45

[kagami]

Since everyone is starting to get their HK45, I thought that perhaps it might be best to have a thread to discuss any thoughts or possible issues that may arise.

 

My impressions are the recoil is quite there, it's just subdued compared to the Hi-Capa or the Glocks. The Gas efficiency is hard to test since it's still cold here in NY but I hope to test more extensively soon since it definitely is getting warmer. The polymer is quite nice, noticeably more matte than my Glock 26.

 

Notable Points:

- Internal hidden slide catch. The "external" (what the real slide catch would be) has less than half a mm of clearance to the slide stop point. There is an internal metal catch that is visible if you disassemble slide from the gun which acts on a metal reinforced catch point INSIDE the slide. ingenious, durable and you'd never know by looking at the gun in action!

- Hop up serviceable without slide removal. I haven't owned any of the newer TMs such as the XDM so I'm not sure if this is new or not.

- Very nicely finished plastic/polymer

- Decocker, interchangeable grip straps a la real HK45 as expected.

- Comes with 2 extra BB followers for the magazine!

- Trigger takeup is long as expected but has minimal stacking breaks quite cleanly in double action IMO. Single action nice and short.

 

 

Also the obligatory pictures, I'm still figuring out how to disassemble the inner frame from the polymer outer frame. I've nudged the safety out which causes the inner frame to wobble in and out however I can't seem to get the entire assembly worked out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a LOT of inner meta frame, extends most of the length of the polymer frame:

 

 

Front sight is dove-tailed in!! No screw underneath.

 

 

 

Rear BBU screws into frame as usual, offset of the slide and is flush...

 

 

 

However the rear sight is still screwed in, and dovetailed. The rear sight is also concaved since it sits right on top of the piston. All these differences probably makes it hard to use a real rear sight if possible at all....

 

 

 

The blowback unit. The piston is secured to the unit by this long spring and detent which is sandwiched by the frame. If you remove the detent and spring, the piston freely comes out.

 

 

 

Piston 15mm as advertised

 

 

The point the slide stop engages on is metal! Not only that but it is at an angle, meaning any wear will start at the sharpest point on the bolt catch. very ingenious design. Also because its metal, it is a removable piece.

 

 

 

New slide stop unactivated:

 

 

Slide stop activated

 

 

 

Unfortunately, the slide catch is not 100% realistic, since lever should go all the way through to the right hand side. The Marui's left catch only goes about 80% through the frame.

As you can see the rod on the right side is a dummy. Real right lever for reference: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/HKPP2062-250.jpg

 

 

Recoil spring guide! There is a good solid rubber buffer and a thick rubber oring/pad on the rear side. There is also a plastic buffer insert on the front side of the gun. Wear prevention?

 

L->R: Metal bushing -> Plastic bushing insert -> Recoil spring -> Plastic buffer -> Rubber oring -> Guide rod retainer

 

 

 

Barrel assembly

 

 

 

Hop up accessible without slide disassembly!

 

 

and of course I have to post the shot with the Noveske K9.

 

Edited April 29, 2014 by kagami

[emp3ror86]

The fake right side slide release is a shame. KSC could get that right 2 years ago.

[kenxin]

Splendid review! such detail! thanks for your efforts but I'll give this one a pass. 

 

I'm seriously worried about marui if they start being THIS lazy with the fake ambi slide release and all.

[kagami]

I'm not sure why they failed to replicate the ambi release properly, until i can disassemble the inner frame fully I can't tell for sure.

 

One thing I am disappointed in is the fact that the right ambi release has a bit of play up and down since the  left catch is the main one. It works 100% of the time but would be nice if the tolerances were tighter.

[bankz5152]

Looks good but nothing special imo. Looks like any other new gen TM pistol inside so I expect the performance to be close to that of the XDM.

 

Slide stop is a shame, KWA did get that right on theres... Its also ambidexterious.

 

The slide stop is very clever though, stop the metal slide stop from eventually taking chunks out of the slide. However it seems very new and I can imagine issues with it after perlonged use.

[kagami]

Wait, you guys might not be fully understanding...

 

The slide stop IS ambidextrous, the assembly of it however just isn't 100% the same as real steel. On the real one the right lever is just a lever that snaps onto the right side. However on the TM the axle is connected at the middle instead of being completely on the left side.

 

Also, In my opinion there are so significant updates to the TM system that no other pistol have:

 

- 15mm cylinder compared to 12-13mm. About a 33%-50% increase in cylinder volume compared to the past TM pistols before it.

- Internal slide catch point is metal to metal. This is the same as putting a metal slide on your pistol. I don't see why you'd think it would fail given Marui's reputation with its plastic slides and metal catches. Only the outer slide portion itself is plastic

- Stripping requires a flathead to pry off the slide catch (major inconveniece) however to make up for it the hop up is adjustable from the outside of the gun. I believe this is the first marui to do so

 

if those aren't significant updates to the system then I don't know what is. However it's not like these will be HK45 specific, I feel like the new M&P and especially the USP/USPc will have these features as well.

[bankz5152]

PX4 was the first TM to have that hop system installed.

 

I believe the PX4 & XMDs also have larger cylinders aswell.

[kagami]

Hm, youre right about the xdm, it might actually be the same part number. the px4 is a normal cylinder though. i guess they just made a big deal about it on the HK45's box

 

I know the XDM requires you to take off the slide. Is the PX4 especially difficult to field strip? It would be stupid if marui just implements something so convenient only if accessing the hop up is a pain otherwise.

[sacairsoftsn00py]

Nice review dude. I expecting mine on Thursday myself

 

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[bankz5152]

PX4 is a peice of to strip.

 

On my phone, my spelling will suck.

[kenxin]

Hm, youre right about the xdm, it might actually be the same part number. the px4 is a normal cylinder though. i guess they just made a big deal about it on the HK45's box

 

I know the XDM requires you to take off the slide. Is the PX4 especially difficult to field strip? It would be stupid if marui just implements something so convenient only if accessing the hop up is a pain otherwise.

Easier than a glock, doesn't even require you to pull the slide back. It's actually easier to manipulate the hop wheel when field-stripped though, I can't get my finger in that chamber properly.

 

Also, the first marui to have the new 15mm cylinder is the 5-7. After that, PX4, XDM, now the HK45.

 

Very disappointed about the slide catch.

[Tisane]

I don't see what all the excitement is all about?

[icolater]

I think I would prefer the KSC/KWA version.

[Zereck]

PX4 is a peice of ###### to strip.

 

On my phone, my spelling will suck.

Huh? I find it pretty easy to strip. Unless you mean full disassembly which in case I agree.

Im going to get one of these when the 2nd batch arrives. Personally I don't see the ambi slide catch issue that problematic. Performance wise it should(and hopefully is) be great. Btw any FPS test on green gas yet?

[Stuey]

That expression means easy

[kagami]

hearing about the jamming problems that the KWA/KSC version has, I'd rather have the marui.

 

I think I would prefer the KSC/KWA version.

 

http://ankoiri.militaryblog.jp/e536746.html

 

^ Externals comparison between KSC and Marui. Marui on the left side in the pics

[Honzo]

I think I would prefer the KSC/KWA version.

 lol try owning one for a certain period of time and come back to this quote. There are reports of people literally having brand new KWA hk45 that jam after a few mags...and if that doesn't happen it will be inevitable. The whole system to me is flawed, I'm glad i sold it for cheap. When you need a pistol to go bang, you can't trust the kwa hk45. I always had to second guess myself everytime it sat in my holster.  I've owned the KSC USP series and the new KWA mark 23 and they weren't THAT bad. 

 

The marui hk45 is the only other option for this model. Let's see how she holds up! 

[24601]

From the 1911 onwards, they have had metal inserts inside the slides; however, the hk45 design looks far better than the flimsy metal posts behind the notches in the glock slides.

Edited April 30, 2014 by 24601

[Wingman]

The review was very good (pictures were well done). I'm not big on the look of the Hk pistols of late (its just me, I'm a long suffering 1911 guy). It appears that TM is doing quite a bit more to make their latest pistols stronger after the "issues" with the Five Seven (and I've got 2 of them). The PX4 was also a big success in my opinion. Nice to see they picked it up a notch.

 

It will certainly be interesting to see how the new Hk holds up to the testing it's going to get from shooters over the next few months.

[bankz5152]

I meant easy lol.

 

My KWA HK45 is currently about 2k rounds in with zero issues. Had it for about 6 months

 

On my phone, my spelling will suck.

[Deadmeat]

I chrono'ing my TM HK45 and on green with 0.2g it was averaging 290fps.

 

I really like the polymer on the lower frame, it just feels great to hold... even more so than my TM XDM. I wasn't too keen on HK pistols at all but this HK45 is great to hold and fires sweet but not as hard as the XDM was. So wear & tear should be better with the HK45.

 

I didn't notice much with the right side slide catch, (I'm not a lefty so I didn't use it) but the concealed metal slide catch is a clever design and works flawlessly.

 

De-cocker function is great and something I hadn't come across before, again works brilliantly. When I had my very first shots in the store I was worried that the trigger travel felt huge, but after the first shot the trigger is nice and tight and the travel is super short in order to get off quick rounds.

 

I also bought a P30 Serpa and it fits fine, just had to loosen the retention screw a bit.

[FireKnife]

- Internal slide catch point is metal to metal. This is the same as putting a metal slide on your pistol. I don't see why you'd think it would fail given Marui's reputation with its plastic slides and metal catches. Only the outer slide portion itself is plastic

 

This has been the fashion since the P226 / Hi-Capa / 1911 / Glock models onwards. The 1911 one I have never noticed any issue with bar the one I keep slap loading but then that is me treating it very, very rough so as to be expected.

 

Also can anyone answer the question I posted in the news thread: Is this a pinned or screwed type magazine?

 

Finally does the single action part of the thumb safety work well for cocked and locked carry? With the KWA and KSC models this can be over-ridden with a hard pull.

 

'FireKnife'

Edited May 1, 2014 by FireKnife

[kenxin]

This has been the fashion since the P226 / Hi-Capa / 1911 / Glock models onwards. The 1911 one I have never noticed any issue with bar the one I keep slap loading but then that is me treating it very, very rough so as to be expected.

 

Also can anyone answer the question I posted in the news thread: Is this a pinned or screwed type magazine?

 

Finally does the single action part of the thumb safety work well for cocked and locked carry? With the KWA and KSC models this can be over-ridden with a hard pull.

 

'FireKnife'

The safety on the marui is not true to RS. When the safety is engaged the trigger is disconnected and doesn't do anything at all.

 

On the plus side, it should work well for cocked and locked.

[kagami]

This has been the fashion since the P226 / Hi-Capa / 1911 / Glock models onwards. The 1911 one I have never noticed any issue with bar the one I keep slap loading but then that is me treating it very, very rough so as to be expected.

 

 

Wow, the ONLY tm models I've handled are the ones you've listed above. I guess I must be more out of the loop than I thought lol...

 

The magazine uses pins.

 

Here's a pic i took of the magazine diagram:

 

[sacairsoftsn00py]

 

Got mine today.

 

I like the trigger reset. With 152a at about 70 degrees, I am getting 250-60 fps with .20g bbs

 

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