NightFury Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 The KSC Skorpion was released this week. Awesome. Need to wait on some reviews to find out what problems to expect though. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 It does surprise me that WE doesn't do much in the way of submachineguns. Not that anyone can complain about their huge product range, but I always though it was lacking in that regard. Maybe they'll do more of them someday though, who knows. I always felt like if any company were to make something like an Uzi model b, it would be WE. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I don't see why WE wouldn't venture into the SMG field. Their MP7 and MP5 seem to be just as good if not better than their rifles. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 WE have ventured into the SMG field, with the MP7 and MP5 . . . . Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Further I mean Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Maybe they see no need to or the cost isn't there? Plus they are more likely to clone a design than make a new one. It has really only been since the M&P (which is a disaster for some) and the compact models that they really started to make their own stuff. Plus what SMGs are common enough to sell? I mean you don't see a lot of them around outside of the MP5, the MP7, the UMP, the P90 and the odd Uzi / Skorpion, maybe they are just not that popular compared to ARs and AKs? Still would be nice to have a GBB Uzi or similar. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well it would add to the variety. And we don't see many because there aren't many options because of Umarex and Cyberscum. Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Although a MAC10 GBB would be nice Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 And after all, the M84 has threads for a suppressor adapter. Allow me to flail around and squee with joy. Link to post Share on other sites
Starblade54 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 GBB PPSH-41 PLZ WE. seriously. someone make that happen. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 *draws breath through teeth* Too niche I reckon. Happy to be proved wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 WE hasn't ventured further into SMGs because, quite frankly the MP5 and MP7 are still relatively new and they have still yet to exhaust the types of MP5s there are in existence. But if sales continue to prove solid, who knows, maybe we'll see more types in the future. But as far as real steel world use goes, the SMG is kind of dying down in favor for PDWs so that may be some kind of indicator as to why there aren't very many GBB SMGs in general. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Technically, a PDW could be any weapon someone uses to protect one self. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 In a literal sense yes, but not in the firearm world. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 What classifies a weapon as a PDW in firearms? Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 What classifies a weapon as a PDW in firearms? A gun that is capable of being carried by personnel in a specialist role that require medium range firepower in a weapon smaller than the average service rifle. Often they user a lighter pointed bullet over conventional rifles. If you want to argue semmantics then the M1 Carbine is the first mass produced 'PDW' as it did exactly the above. It gave the likes of vehicle crews and artillery support a small sub-carbine gun that could hit out to a few hundered metres at a push and was better range / ht harder than a pistol or hit harder / more accurate than a SMG. Very few 'PDW' weapons use standard ammo in the real world too, the MP5K-PDW being an exception but then that wasn't built from the ground up, more just a case of making the best of things with what you have. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Generally using a short rifle round for greater armour defeating capabilities in a compact SMG weapon like the P90, MP7, KAC PDW e.t.c. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Then pretty much all SMGs since 1970 is a PDW then isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well no, an SMG fires a pistol round, frequently 9x19 mm. A PDW fires some other, more rifle-y round like the funny bullets the P90 and MP7 use, whatever the KAC PDW fires etc. etc. It's a blurry line between a short barrelled rifle and a 'PDW'. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 So basically anything SMG size but fires unconventional rounds. That certainly makes it hard to stock up on ammo. Luckily this is airsoft and then all use 6mm bbs, well most of them. What if all airsoft changed over to 8mm. Wouldn't that give us better ballistics. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 SMG sized, more powerful/AP-ish rounds, yeah. 8 mm would be (well, is. They do exist haha) worse, the larger area of the BBs would cause them to decelerate faster than 6 mm ones meaning shorter ranges. It's been speculated that moving to smaller (e.g. 4.5 mm) BBs would give us immediately better performance, but there's quite a lot of industry inertia to overcome first... Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 It'd be awesome if we could put dimples in bbs like a golf ball. Wouldn't that help with range? It'd be pretty impractical to manufacture though. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I seem to recall someone looked into that and I could be wrong but any performance gain was negligible so just not worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 It has been tried but the actual change was so minute that it fell into obscurity. Smooth and spherical is just the best overall, usually at a 5.95mm average size it seems. And as for PDW think of it more as the gap between Carbine and SMG and you are not far off. Something with the range of the carbine but the handling of the SMG and a mid-range cartridge to match (like the 5.7mm of FN, the 4.6mm of HK or the 6x35mm of the KAC PDW). Saying that some groups have taken to using PDWs in a more offensive role like the P90 and MP7 as they are great for defeating the kind of body armour that stops the average 9mm or .45ACP to the chest. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well, this makes me really want a P90 gbb now. Couldn't WE just use like a snorkel kind of set up to deliver gas? It'd get the gas in without cooling down the mag wouldn't it? Or am I mistaken? Link to post Share on other sites
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