DeltaZero Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 OMG how many times are we going to go over speculations on how a GBB P90 could work? Seriously! We are all just guessing that's the reasoning behind it not being released too. No-one has any solid evidence. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 But if we don't post our ingenious ideas openly on a public forum, how will WE's R&D team get anything done? Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Fair point. But do they need to hear it over and over? Surely they've heard how we are better at R&D than they are enough.. Don't want to rub it in too much or they'll not go any further with it just out of spite!! I would also be very interested to know if they actually did look at forums like this and how useful they find our ingenious ideas! Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 In the hopefully case that WE is checking in on Arnies, that should mean, a lot of guns are in the pipeline ready to roll out any minute now. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Or, you know, you could spam their Facebook instead. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well no, an SMG fires a pistol round, frequently 9x19 mm. A PDW fires some other, more rifle-y round like the funny bullets the P90 and MP7 use, whatever the KAC PDW fires etc. etc. It's a blurry line between a short barrelled rifle and a 'PDW'. You do get oddball PDWs like the russian PP2000 though. It's 9x19 and uses regular 9x19 rounds, but it has a special high pressure chamber so that you can stick in a fresh mag using 9x19+P+ rounds that are developing a pressure so high they become armour piercing. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I thought a PDW was something that could be carried under your arm and with a collapsible/foldable stock (am troll-ing, arnt I?)? Yeah, P90. It's slowly becoming a conspiracy theory . . . Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 It's been speculated that moving to smaller (e.g. 4.5 mm) BBs would give us immediately better performance, but there's quite a lot of industry inertia to overcome first... More like economics, I doubt any manufacturer could justify the risk of making a gun that fires 4.5mm BBs then have to spend a considerable amount of money having the injection moulds produced to make the BBs which would only be sold to a very limited market and therefore due to the much lower production/sales volumes be priced much higher which would only serve to further put off any potential buyers. Think how much more expensive heavy weight 6mm BBs are compared to your bog standard every day .2s made to the same size and may well be made using the same moulds then multiple the price a few times, it's not difficult to see why manufacturers of airsoft guns stick to 6mm, they don't even have to produce their own BBs if they don't want to. Then there is the whole issue of who'd bother to stock smaller BBs with such a limited sales potential, I doubt the pros would really outweigh the cons. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Personally I'd be a bit iffy about switching to 4.5mm as don't metal bbs for air pistols come in that size? Anyway, that's way off topic so lets go back to wild speculation about what WE could bring out next Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 M41A pulse rifle. Link to post Share on other sites
Zereck Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Wasn't the problem with putting dimples on BBs that manufacturing it was hard/too costly? Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 You want WE to make dimpled BB's? Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 The problem was a 300fps ICS M4 broke a car window. Apparently they cut through the air so well there was little to no air resistance. The science and reliability of this is sketchy to say the least as it was some time ago i read the article. 6mm is the market, it aint going to change. I expect there is a good reason 6mm was chosen and not 4.5mm. Possibly to make a big difference between airsoft and air pistols. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 You want WE to make dimpled BB's? This cannot possibly go wrong lol Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Int:- WE Head Quarters. WE Guy No1:- Hey. Hey guys. Let's try and weaken a BB . . . . WE Guy No2:- Dimples. WE Guy No1:- Simples. F/X:- Fade to black with 'the imperial march' playing us out. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Personally I'd be a bit iffy about switching to 4.5mm as don't metal bbs for air pistols come in that size? Yes, but ball-bearing balls also come in just about every other size imaginable, including 6mm and .63' (the same diameter as paintball markers). The problem was a 300fps ICS M4 broke a car window. Apparently they cut through the air so well there was little to no air resistance. It goes one of two ways. Either an ICS M4 can break a car window at point-blank range with a regular 6mm BB (seems unlikely) and therefore it might also be able to do it with a dimpled BB, or it can't, and it can't do it with a dimpled BB either. Energy is what matters when it comes to breaking windows, not drag; as long as the BBs are of equal weight and speed their energy will be equal. I expect there is a good reason 6mm was chosen and not 4.5mm.Before airsoft settled into the 6mm calibre, there were all sorts of variants - 6-, 7-, and 8mm BBs, aspherical projectiles like diabolo pellets, the works. I had a spring-powered pneumatic revolver that shot rubber bullets like Minié balls. The general rule is that, for a given weight, the smaller and denser the projectile, the lesser the drag and therefore the further it travels. However, interaction with the hop-up rubber might work better with a larger-diameter projectile; it's hard to know without experimentation. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 It goes one of two ways. Either an ICS M4 can break a car window at point-blank range with a regular 6mm BB (seems unlikely) and therefore it might also be able to do it with a dimpled BB, or it can't, and it can't do it with a dimpled BB either. Energy is what matters when it comes to breaking windows, not drag; as long as the BBs are of equal weight and speed their energy will be equal. This. The only other possible thing that would make a difference to a window breaking or not from BBs of the same size, same weight and same velocity is hardness. A soft plastic BB would deform on impact, expending energy while doing so. A harder BB would not deform on impact and would transfer all of its energy through the single point of impact. I feel this has been done to death in the old Bioval thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 And the glass BB thread. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Huh, still waiting on news for my Makarov. Where is it WE? Haven't even seen the M84 for sale yet either just pics. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Just heard from WE, they said they want to FK off and are doing a KWA. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I don't even think WE would be that awful........ ............time to go get the flame-retardent suit. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Im not sure the PMM and P38 were scheduled for release any time soon. From what i recall of the barely comprehensible google translation it seemed like they were more "possible" releases rather then sure bets like the fancy pants glocks and stuff. If you recall, even thought the pictures are gone now, the M84 was the only one they even bothered painting. So, I dont doubt they'll release them all eventually, but they might not be quite in the release pipeline yet. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Well that is true. Still also oddly closer to releasing one than KWA it seems. (Why can't tempting fate like that work in my favour for once?). 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Well, KWA is a different story. I dont think they'll have any major releases any time soon. Even if they make good on the vz61 it'd still be like... Oh.. great, you released something KSC already released. woo. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 KWA/KSC same meat different gravy. Link to post Share on other sites
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