SpecialWeaponsAndPlastic Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Here's a picture of a video that will come up on YouTube next week: In this video I will show how I modified a real steel side saddle to fit an APS CAM870. Links to my Homepage, Instagram and YouTube is in my signature below. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Cool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialWeaponsAndPlastic Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It's that time of the week again! In my next video I will show how I modified a shell catcher to fit on the APS scope mount pins. My previous video can be found here: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialWeaponsAndPlastic Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 My bi-weekly bonanza continues! And here's the result: I hope you enjoy it! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Batmause Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Interview with APS: https://www.facebook.com/gbbhungary/posts/774061309431426 Have fun guys! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) I noticed that some of my shells don't have the slot for the o-ring between the shell body and plastic case? Does that mean the o-ring is redundant? Edited May 3, 2017 by AG1212 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Whuat? Pics please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I noticed that some of my shells don't have the slot for the o-ring between the shell body and plastic case? Does that mean the o-ring is redundant? Whuat? Pics please. Think he means when you twist off the plastic shell cover to reveal the aluminum shell, the black o-ring that sits there under the shell. <stolen from YT> From my understanding and experience, by factory they should be included, but I've had some "used" ones that were not included; I ran them fine with zero issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 This is what I mean: http://i.imgur.com/zHYvAuH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZGmd2MC.jpg Both were bought new, in fact most of my shells don't have the O-ring. As you can see, they don;t have the slot machined for it either...it's strange I thought Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Is it suppose to increase friction so it's less likely to work itself loose? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Hmmm... Machining error? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I thought it was something to do with preventing the CO2 of discharging backwards somehow...I'm not sure, but no o-rings doesn't have a discernible effect. Also I found steel parts by 'Bow Master', never seen them mentioned before: http://www.shootercbgear.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_351&products_id=12440&osCsid=uckaia74m2ipt45bbsl1o8suc7 http://www.shootercbgear.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_351&products_id=11946&osCsid=uckaia74m2ipt45bbsl1o8suc7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 I think the intent of the O-ring was to prevent CO2 pressure from leaking out the back of the hull when fired, but since the hull itself seems to provide a good enough seal it seems to have been omitted sometime during production. On designs like the Goblin, the hull is a friction fit, so it uses O-rings on the shell to both seal and prevent the hull from falling off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 What the fu is this *suitcase* Gas in bolt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 That's ... err, interesting, I wonder how many shots you can get out of one charge, I can see the benefit of not having to worry about expensive shells, but unless it can do 40-50 shots per charge it won't be the most practical if you gotta charge every 10 rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Think I need to order a batch of old school style shells cause I don't like this one bit... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) So on the one hand, having a gun that works like the real thing is pretty cool, and gas-in-shell means no worrying about keeping the gun gassed. Putting the gas in the gun seems like a step backwards in that respect. And, of course, I can't convert non-APS guns to use APS shells if the shell isn't a self-contained system. On the other hand, the old Maruzen M870s could get dozens of shots on a single fill, and CO2 is much more efficient. My Wingun revolvers can fire 6 BBs at close to 300FPS and do about a hundred shots on a single CO2 cartridge, so I don't think 30-50 is completely out of the question for a container the size of an 870 bolt. And if it means cheaper shells and faster loading, that seems like it might be a decent tradeoff to me. I'll have to see how it performs. If it requires gassing every ten shots then I'll pass, but if it can do a decent number of shots and results in cheap shells then I could see it being very successful. Right now the two reasons players cite for not buying the APS shotguns are the cost of shells and the time it takes to load them- this might be able to address both issues. Or it might just suck. Time will tell. Edited May 10, 2017 by CatgutViolin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Batmause Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Terrible how it looks like. Why they didn't placed the inlet valve to not visilbe place - like bottom of bolt carrier? I do not worried about the gas capacity, CO2 is really effective. If the sealings can keep the gas pressue without leaking it will be worth of use it. The bolt carrier can store a few gramms of CO2 - a GHK GBBR can shoot 40-50 cycle with CO2 magazine and there the CO2 need to move a heavy steel or zamak bolt carrier group (over 300g weight)... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Got to remember most people play IPSC in HK.. so I would suggest it will last a good 3 gun Round. Their method here also prevents people from shooting random stuff out of the shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Mweh... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Shooting random stuff out the shells is the fun part. Might as well get a pps at that rate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) Exactly. Stupid criminals ruining things for us. Really glad I got the original model and 40 shells for it. But I will have to order some more shells for sure Did anyone try the new "smart shells" ? The ones that you fill directly in the valve stem without mounting it in the CO2 loader. Edited May 12, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) Got to remember most people play IPSC in HK.. so I would suggest it will last a good 3 gun Round. Their method here also prevents people from shooting random stuff out of the shells. Shooting random stuff out the shells is the fun part. Might as well get a pps at that rate. Am I missing something here? At 0:09 it looks like the hulls are the same as the current ones. They certainly don't appear to have inner barrels, which would be the only thing precluding you from using them to shoot random stuff. Edited May 13, 2017 by CatgutViolin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I suppose we'll have to see, the power output might be a lot less. Also, this will stop you from using HPA at higher PSI. Also the added complexity within the bolt...I prefer the shells being the only thing that can leak. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Their latest facebook post confirms the shells remain the way they are now minus the gas tank. I'd only be interested in the new system if shells were crazy cheap to the point I don't mind loosing a few at a skirmish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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