blobface Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) It'd be really impressive if the bolt is a drop in fit for the older models. I still like the gas shell a lot for its flexibility, a lot of us have done all sorts of weird projects with these shells because of how easy it is to make things shoot the aps shells, I'm also not convinced that little bolt can hold all that much gas, will have to wait and see. Shells will no doubt be cheaper, I'm hoping some 3rd party will start producing dirt cheap cardboard ones that you buy in 50s at a time. Edited May 16, 2017 by blobface 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155086611877012&id=727237011 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Couple of translations from the video posts' comment section from Alan Hsu: On why going back to gasless shells: "It's somewhat frustrating, but gas shells are in a legally grey area in some countries." On how many shots per charge: "max 15 shots." Edited May 17, 2017 by blobface Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 On how many shots per charge: "max 15 shots." Utterly useless... Even for IPSC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Yup, sadly so, I'm really hoping this is just another line of product, and they aren't discontinuing the APS gas shells, as much as I don't think I'll ever buy any more, I'd just hate to see this awesome system die off. Now, just a bit of blue sky dreaming, gas charge bolts would be excellent if they made a gas bolt for a Benelli M3 / Spas 12 that fires the APS gas shells, so all the gas in the bolt is doing is power the recoil action, and when the gas for the recoil action runs out, you can immediately switch to pump mode for manual mode, this could also be fairly efficient as unlike a normal GBBR, it can be more contained in that you don't need a route for the gas to escape to propel the BB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Wow, 15 shots... :-( I need to stock up on the first gen style shells and parts for sure... Speaking of, I got some smart shells inbound to try. The concept seems pretty good compared to loading the old ones in the shell holder/filler. We shall see Edited May 17, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Yeah I got 25 smart shells, they're great. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) The shots also sound under powered compared to the bang of my cam870, sounds like a pps. 15 shots is utterly useless for skirmishing, think I'll have to buy an AOW and stock up on bolts and shells...I wonder if the trigger mechanism is any different, or the receiver? Edited May 17, 2017 by AG1212 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 RIP Golden Age of Shell Ejectors Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I'm wondering if APS thinks this is a step forward and they are happy/satisfied, or that this is the best they can do given the legal circumstances and they are trying to keep a straight face,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%84%A1%E5%A5%88 This is the word they used to describe the situation in that response. "Helpless", "unfortunate", "without an alternative". Those words don't quite capture the full meaning of the word, but there you go. The question though is whether the old shells will still be made for markets that can buy them. Just left a message in Chinese about whether they are discontinued, hopefully he'd respond if he knows. Edited May 18, 2017 by blobface 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I did draw up the OG shells in CAD, it wouldn't be hard to set up a CNC lathe to *suitcase* them out in some medium carbon steel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Thanks for the translation, as I suspected then. Just call it the "Asia Edition" like VFC does with their stuff When the incident originally "went down" I asked APS that exact question and the response was that for markets where there are no legal issues they would continue to make and support the old style system. However, and I think I mentioned this back then, I can't see them keeping two platforms alive in the long run and if the domestic market model is dictated by a certain law that one will probably win out in the end. So yeah, time to stock up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Maybe we could group fund someone to cnc them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. APS still sell the smart style shells which is an upgrade from the original ones but still gas in shell. 4 pack smart shells : http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=869 25 pack smart shells : http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=870 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) FYI I got my PPS shell catcher and shell holder that I will mod on my APS CAM870 as per "SWAPs" videos. Both need the screw holes adjusted a bit as he instructed but should be do-able Also had to mod the PPS shell catcher retention. The holes for the shells are big enough for APS but the retention PVC plastic tubing putting pressure on the shells was too tight so I had to do a bit of a "life hack" to make it work using a smaller, also flexible "tube". FYI, SWAP, I am going to give you a shoutout and link in my unboxing video of these items, big thumbs up on your videos and inspiration! Also saves me from doing a "how to" video on modding these to fit, hehe. Edited May 18, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) My bi-weekly bonanza continues! And here's the result: I hope you enjoy it! And here is how mine turned out after tonight's rebuild Not bad for couple of hours worth of work IMO Thanks man! FYI my hole adjustments were not as precise/pretty as yours but it works APS CAM870 (custom) RS Hogue Tamer pistol grip RS TacStar tactical shotgun forend grip Custom mounted top rail piece Replica MRO PPS shell side-sadle PPS shell catcher First, I tore it apart, cleaned it, fixed my sticky action (magazine tube cradle arms were pinching the forend tube arms)... And then I modded the PPS shell side-sadle and shell catcher and fit onto the shotty, as well as my new MRO red-dot sight Edited May 20, 2017 by NonEx 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) This might be the dumbest thing I've ever made... I can easily 3D print them at home and do them in batches over night / while I'm away, by combining them into a bunch, it's still too expensive from Shapeways. http://shpws.me/OymB Low quality quick print test, looks pretty good, wish I had transparent filament still! Edited May 20, 2017 by blobface 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Ooooh! Very cool How much to buy a pack? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 £20.47 for white and £22.33 for the coloured versions! Each pack has 30, so it's still pretty dang pricey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Ah sorry missed the link there. I think I will have to get a pack just to try it out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Wait wait wait wait, updating files lol Going to round it a bit more so it should look better, and making the "fins" smaller to fit around the wad better. Edited May 20, 2017 by blobface Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Alright, let us know when they are good to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) All updated, but it was complaining some of the walls were too thin, so I had to thicken them, which brought the price down (weird)?! I'll just leave it on there in case someone wants it, but it's pretty pricey for something that just gets shot away, perhaps the thicker wall means it won't break after being shot out! Edited May 20, 2017 by blobface Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 I figured I would get a pack for display more than anything else Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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