blobface Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Real nice! Well, I'm glad they've done it, theirs is much much nicer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) I just remembered how tedious it actually is to fit those dang cardboard caps to the shells when you got BBs in there. Trying to get the thing in evenly, damn near impossible Let's hope they are cheap-o. Wonder how much friction those tabs put on the cap though. Don't want it making the BBs come out all sluggish Edited August 28, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) So, I got my CP Custom steel shell rims today. I figure since I like cycling shells in my APS CAM870 I will have 6 brand new aluminum rimmed (uhhh? ) Smart Shells and 6 brand new CP Custom rimmed smart shells and alternate them in the cycling and see how the wear compares. I shall report back with some pictures in a week or so There is no main black o-ring included with the CP Custom caps (the one at the outside/top of the threads) so you have to transfer that over. Speaking of, but kind of not. Friggen APS aluminum is like cheese. I have a pair of pliers that make like 95% positive contact in the two disassembly holes on the Smart Shell caps yet still they get damaged after ONE disassembly And, I am pretty sure the position of those two holes are in line with the shell latch arms so they might make those snag in the holes and the damage that is caused when disassembling the shells using the holes. I will stick with my custom service cut on my shells. EDIT: Huhm... So there are only 2 packs of 4 caps (total 8) in this delivery yet I have ordered and paid for 2 packs of 8 caps (total 16)... Not sure if there has been a mistake with delivery or they are out of stock and sent partial delivery. Have emailed CP Custom about it :| EDIT2: OKi. Shells prepped. 6 of each to go in my 5+1 configured CAM870. Blue shells are APS CAM870 Smart Shell original caps. Green shells are CP Custom stainless steel caps (with my service/disassembly cut added). Let the games begin! Edited August 29, 2017 by NonEx 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) FYI I emailed APS about the plastic caps and they are scheduled for release in mid September BTW CP Custom replied to my email about my order and turns out they made a mistake and will ship out the rest of the order ASAP. I would expect nothing less Edited August 30, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I got the smart shell stems I ordered and converted all my shells over to the new system, and they all seem to really spew CO2 during filling. Is that normal behavior, or do I need to lubricate the O-rings more or something else entirely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I had someone mention that on my YouTube in the comments and they had contacted APS and apparently it is normal as to not over-pressurize the Smart Shells. He went on to mention something about early batches "exploding" and this is now by design. As long as they don't leak after filling you should be good. I actually haven't filled any of mine yet Speaking of comments. Another guy commented that he had bought a brand new MKII CAM870 and within a few dozen shots the firing pin snapped off. He contacted APS about it and they sent out a complete bolt replacement free of charge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 That's a weird explanation. You can't overpressurize a volume of CO2, if it contains any liquid it's always at vapor pressure. Well, I'll withhold judgment until I get the chance to live fire them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Not sure if that was the exact word/phrasing but something along those lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) I got the chance to test. Regular CO2 adapters seem to work much better than the APS one, since they can actually seal on the fill valve O-ring, whereas the APS one has a step that prevents it from sealing if the O-ring is low/thin enough. I wonder if maybe the issue was destroying the O-rings with excessive pressure, but it feels like you'd have to press real hard to do that. The disadvantage to the non-APS fill adapter is needing to unscrew the hulls to fill, but I load hulls separately from the shells anyways so that's not a huge deal for me. With a dollop of heavy silicone oil on the fill valve to help seal up the shells, all my shells are holding pressure nicely and are significantly faster to fill. I quite like the new system. Edited September 7, 2017 by CatgutViolin 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Can you show a picture or link to the kind of CO2 adapter you are using? By the way. Any requests for future APS CAM870 videos from me? Edited September 7, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 It's one of these: That one's a Madbull but everyone under the sun makes them. It's the same as a propane fill adapter, just thicker materials and (I think) threaded differently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Need some gameplay nonex!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Not gonna happen I'm afraid. If my old go-to indoor CQB site was still available I would love to. But no cool places for me to play anymore since the building was torn down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 APS CAM870 plastic shell caps/covers are now available from APS store. $5 USD for a pack of 50 seems pretty dang reasonable to me I ordered 4 packs of blue, green, red and white. So 200 of each color for a total of 800 Black: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1198 Blue: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1200 Green: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1203 Orange: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1202 Red: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1199 Zombie green: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1204 White/Transparent: http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1201 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 By the way. I also ordered an APS CAM870 Zombie Hunter SF MKII shotgun because like I mentioned earlier my original one is getting a bit worn out due to all my tinkering and I couldn't get a GEN1 so bought a MKII and GEN1 bolt to replace. Anyhow. It means I will be able to do a shell comparison between GEN1 / GEN2(Smart Shells) and GEN3 (MKII) as well as an overview on the differences between original CAM870 system and MKII system and a guide on how to convert your GEN system to MKII and MKII to GEN1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialWeaponsAndPlastic Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Speaking of shell covers, I got inspired from a few other people and made my own cheap and cheerful kind: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) Well fook me. WGC Shop are having a discount on APS CAM870 Smart Shell 25 pack for $140 USD Usually retails for $190 - $210 USD https://wgcshop.com/products?search_From=special&item=aps-smart-cam-co2-cartridge-pack-for-25pcs&search=special&rs=Special%20Offer&catid=&cat=&view_choice=a 4-pack for $26 USD https://wgcshop.com/products?search_From=special&item=aps-smart-cam-co2-cartridge-pack-for-4-pcs-transparency&search=special&rs=Special%20Offer&catid=&cat=&view_choice=a Also some other nice items from APS on sale. https://wgcshop.com/content_page.php?search=special&rs=Special%20Offer Well... I just bought a 25-pack and a tactical CAM870. Was planning on getting two spare CAM870s anyways and this was a good deal Gonna tear the guns apart and sell all the things I don't need so should be a nice deal for me Edited September 16, 2017 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 I ended up cancelling my WGC Shop order because they insist on only shipping with UPS to Sweden and I also realized I am not in any hurry to get another CAM870 or more shells But, lookie here what I got from APS today (bought, not sponsored. Feel like I have to clarify that from now on ). APS CAM870 SF MKII shotgun that I will rebuild to GEN1 and have as my new base gun since I've worn out my current one 800 of the new shell plastic caps. Just had a quick play with some and they seem pretty good and look really cool. And some other small spare parts. I'm really interested to tear this down and see what differs on the inside. I doubt the MKII bolt is very user service friendly considering it is a CO2 container and the installation of the release valve system in it seems pretty beefy. Not sure I will bother trying to take it apart. MKII = mweh I did get the wrong color on 4 packs of the shell caps. Black instead of blue. And the spare GEN1 SAI bolt I ordered has really *suitcasey* finish on it. Not even close to the original SAI TiN finish that I have in my CAM870 SAI rifle. It looks... rust brown, coarse and matte finish. I have emailed APS about this and will be interesting to see how they handle it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm actually interested in getting an MKII for reliability, or at least only having to maintain one part constantly rather than every single shell... APS refuse to send anything to Ireland and no retailers seem to stock it Could at least test it to see what power you get and how many shots? Also to see how it's constructed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Yeh I will have a look at it. Will test shot count but I don't know how to chrono a multishot load ? I have an Xcoretech chrono but how will it handle 10 BBs coming through? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Can't you just tape the wad so you chrono the the whole lump? I doubt the velocity difference between one bb in the cluster of 12 vs the whole lump at the muzzle is going to vary too much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Well in that case I could shoot a .68 rubber paintball through it but that can't be the same as 12 6mm 0.2 BBs flying through the air? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 but 0.68 rubber paintball weighs different than a wad + 12bbs, where as a wad with 12bbs taped up, is practically the same weight, so the speed of the whole mass accelerated by the same propellant would be the same? It only slows down once it's down range with air resistance, but at the muzzle, they should be the same? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Purrhaps. Well actually my rubber paintballs are more like those soft sponge balls you use for Dodge Ball so it doesn't weigh much. Oh wells. I can try shooting some stuff in the chrono Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Lookie what I got from Brownells yesterday New RS Remington 870 shell side sadle by MESA TACTICAL. Perfect retention fit for APS shells straight out of the box! $36 USD at Brownells.com: http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/speedloaders-accessories/shotgun-shell-holders/sureshell-polymer-carrier-rem-870-1100-11-87-12ga-6-rd-sku100022971-84616-191719.aspx?sku=100-022-971 Metal/aluminum backing plate and polymer construction for the shell holder and rubber/PVC tube for retention of shells. Mine was more like $56 USD from Brownells Sweden but that covers shipping and tax + customs fees (tax= 25%, customs 3% ) from the US so not too bad. Looks like you might have to move one of the screw holes just a tiny bit for a perfect fit on the APS trigger plate/housing pin holes. I was not happy with my straw mod ("ugly hack") on the PPS and I also messed up the screw hole alignment on that and I saw this and thought it looked really nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.