hwagan Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Hey look, a thing! http://gp-web.com/en/productspop.php?pid=3763 I don't care if it's not flawlessly accurate to the movie or RS model; I want one and I want one hard. Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner168 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Well that's a spanner in the works. Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 The financial works? I know those feels. Link to post Share on other sites
Pdubyuh Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Very nice but I'd like the front end a little longer unless the pic has been cropped? Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't think it has; 12" rail and an 11.5" barre, which I THINK is the front end setup on the movie gun. Not entirely certain on that. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Shame it's a GBBR I'm invested in the LM4 GBBR system I don't need another if it was an AEG I would have one in a heart beat! Might have to try and make one myself maybe! Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Angry Gun will be knocking these rail systems out at some point in all flavours. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Eeeexcellent! Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 [annoyingknowitalld-bag]Well, the AG ones will be copies of the War Sport, which is similar to what G&P have done but the original product doesn't have the 20mm underneath, the QD sling mounts, the elongated holes running parallel to and directly underneath the 12 o/clock rail or any KeyMod at the sides and the general profile is slightly different accordingly. I was so *fruitcage* annoyed at that SAI receiver set when I checked the G&P site the other day that I banished the fact of its' existence from my memory. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Well this is the AG one I have seen. Looks fairly different to the G&P take. Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner168 Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 The problem is that, as I have OCD, I will also need a SA pistol as well to go with this (assuming I buy this rather than pursue a VFC HK416 project). #firstworldnonsense Link to post Share on other sites
teus Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 And here I am waiting for a 1911 slide with SAI markings. I mean how hard can it be? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Sounds like Nova will be making SAI 1911 kits so keep an eye out. Link to post Share on other sites
Curly68 Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Well I have a SAI Glock 17 and now I have a 1911 SAI in the making and one of my GBB's will be morphing into a replica as well. Looking into getting the bolt Ti nitrided as well though!! Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 AEG SAI BODY PLEASE G&P. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Real gun is a 14.5" barrel and 16" (I seem to recall) rail with rifle length gas system. The rail seen on most SAI guns up until now have been the Warsport LVOA rail which they sold to SAI. It's Warsport's design and copyright ... although the term "LVOA" itself belongs to SAI, as LVOA is supposed to be a "standard" defined by SAI that products must meet. All future SAI rifles are supposed to ship with their own SAI rail (which is functionally and aesthetically somewhat similar to WarSports'). Having shot the real gun a few times, it's not my cup of tea, but it's interesting and different enough that I could see how it would have a lot of Airsoft appeal. Link to post Share on other sites
The Insider Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 14.5 barrel with 16" ras sounds about right.the G&P model seems off... and pointless having a rebar cutter... then block it with a muzzle,. even just for looks.although... not that i have ever see someone try to cut rebar with a rifle before. lol. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 That's because most Airsoft manufacturers and airsofters are unaware of the design philosophy of the Warsport LVOA rail. It's not supposed to be a wire/rebar cutter. The extended rail portions along the top and bottom at the front of the rail are supposed to (1) protect the rifle length gas system which is extremely close to the end of the barrel (like barely 1/2" from the start of the threading), (2) allow the user as much rail space as possible for either support grip and/or accessory attachments, (3) reduce the amount of upwards flash that would possibly affect the user's sight picture. People (including 99% RS shooters) don't realize how finicky of a design the SAI 14.5" rifle length gas system is. The gas system itself isn't a standard 12 o'oclock index. It's timed at a very specific angle in order to allow the gun to run consistently (which is extremely difficult given the extreme reduction in gas going back into the gun). If a real SAI gun ever had to be rebarreled, it would have to be done by SAI themselves because only they have the tooling necessary to do the precise timing. In summary, that is why the rail is designed the way it is, first and foremost to protect the gas block. Link to post Share on other sites
The Insider Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 well yes.. you are probably right.although just to confuse you.... they still call it a wire cutter.just not the way I imagined. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Now that's just silly! lol Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 People (including 99% RS shooters) don't realize how finicky of a design the SAI 14.5" rifle length gas system is. The gas system itself isn't a standard 12 o'oclock index. It's timed at a very specific angle in order to allow the gun to run consistently (which is extremely difficult given the extreme reduction in gas going back into the gun). I have to ask - what's the intended benefit of this finicky and complex adaption of a formerly simple and reliable part of the DGI AR-15 design? What was wrong with fitting carbine-length gas systems to carbine-length barrels? I see in some of the reviews they noted a reduction in BCG speed, allegedly reducing recoil and component wear, but they also noted that it wouldn't cycle 52gr ammunition reliably as a direct result. That seems like a real pain in the *albatross* for not much benefit. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The mid-length is very popular for its' lessened recoil/muzzle rise, if you're trying to push those properties to the very maximum then the longer the gas tube the better. You can very nearly grip the gun at the actual muzzle device with the LVOA rail, which provides for the most possible physical control. All adds up. End of the day it's clearly a specific setup for the achievement of a specific goal and the cost of certain disadvantages. There's not a lot that hasn't been done with an AR at this point, there's only so many places left to go. Apart from anything, if you're a business making ARs and you want to get exposure and popularity you're probably going to need to do something that nobody else is doing. As you'll know, with any product the closer you get to the limitations of the system/design/materials the more it costs to make any gains. For the lurkers; example: A 1 MOA bolt gun costs (plucking numbers completely from thin air) $700, a 1/2 MOA costs maybe $2000 and a 1/4 costs $5000 etc. Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The moment G&P sell the Saliant body seperately, I'm going to be all over it like a fat northerner on a Gregg's sausage roll. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I have to ask - what's the intended benefit of this finicky and complex adaption of a formerly simple and reliable part of the DGI AR-15 design? What was wrong with fitting carbine-length gas systems to carbine-length barrels? I see in some of the reviews they noted a reduction in BCG speed, allegedly reducing recoil and component wear, but they also noted that it wouldn't cycle 52gr ammunition reliably as a direct result. That seems like a real pain in the *albatross* for not much benefit. The longer the gas system the softer shooting the gun is. Which results in less push back and more importantly less muzzle sway and therefore the shooter can have faster more accurate follow up shots. That said, to me it didn't feel noticeably softer than a 14.5" barrel with a midlength gas system. Link to post Share on other sites
Pdubyuh Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I think with both AEG's and the AR15 platform we are at the edge of possible performance and without a radical change in the basic technology your going to have to invest alot into either platform and the returns your going to get are going to get proportionately smaller and smaller, as you say USCM its not that much difference to a normal 14.5" barrel with a mid length gas tube. Still I think it looks very cool and as this is airsoft thats what counts lol Link to post Share on other sites
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