hitmanNo2 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 What's the grip like on the PMM? It doesn't look too ergonomic... Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think it looks pretty comfy actually. I am actually considering getting one of these just because it's so alternate from what I am used to, and I wanna check out some new WE products Waiting for some feedback on it before I do. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hmm, interesting place to put the hop adjuster but then it makes sense too. Why couldn't Maruzen do that on the PPK/S? As for the suppressor does it come with that? I wouldn't see myself using it that much but as it is a fixed barrel blowback gun it would probably be quite efficient. Still first UK store to get these in gets my pennies, hopefully they don't have some extoritionate mark up for being first though. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 It looks to be threaded for the same adapter that many WE pistols share. You probably still need to buy the adapter separately though. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Unless my eyes are deceiving me those pictures in that link rusTORK posted up are of a suppressor that is pre-threaded and ready to go? Still as said if included it just might tip me in favour of the PMM, even if the grip looks uncomfortable (why the thumb raise on BOTH sides?). 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 The pictures I have seen of the retail item says it comes with both a suppressor and a threaded extended inner barrel. Might be some sort of limited edition thing but I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pistol not even hit market, but someone in Taiwan already created STEEL slide and STEEL frame for it. =) Video: Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Could that not just be that WE might have released a couple already to third parties to make more expensive parts? That or corporate espionage is just as bad for WE as many other Far East Asian companies. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 If they really wanted to get the most money, they would make hardened steel internals. The externals barely even matter for an airsoft pistol, but good quality internals would be worth the money. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 True to a degree but then swapping bodies on a pistol is a lot easier than swapping some bits. Plus the cost of a small part or two is probably that of the frame due to the intricate process to make smaller items. Finally some people still believe 'metal am bestest' and those are the kind of people that wonder why a MBK slapped on a gun isn't as effective as a MBK gun with lots of internal fixings too. Still would be nice to see but if I was going to make a full steel gun I wouldn't think a WE would be the best starting place. They have the cheap to mid-range sidearm market almost to themselves with bigger competition at either end so I wouldn't see them worrying too much. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why is the grip so big when the mag isn't all that big? Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just the design, perhaps it fits the hand better. Like for those people that take a nice, thin 1911 single stacker and go and whack huge, finger groove grips on them? To me the grip is the only off putting thing given the thin panel look the older PM has but never know, it might be more comfortable than it looks. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Looks like these are up for sale now. Tiger111 has them, trademarked, for $130. with the suppressor. http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/m21/WE/p27888/WE-Metal-MAKAROV-Baikal-GBB-Pistol-with-Silencer-%28Black%29/product_info.html Ive already ordered one. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just the design, perhaps it fits the hand better. Like for those people that take a nice, thin 1911 single stacker and go and whack huge, finger groove grips on them? To me the grip is the only off putting thing given the thin panel look the older PM has but never know, it might be more comfortable than it looks. 'FireKnife' I'm not a lover of these really, but in that grip config, they are very comfy to hold - that was the better grip design of these imo... Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 $128.50 on EBA too. http://www.ebairsoft.com/airsoft-makarov-with-silencer-silver-black-p-8385.html Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Frig, if only I haven't had such bad luck with UK importing, too tempting. Ah well, I am sure in a couple of weeks someone over here will have 'em. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Good markings at Tiger111. But correct markings are: ??-71? (On Russian) before september 2008, MP-71H (In English) after september 2008. Don't trust me! Google it! Anyway, they founded really good markings to copy. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I won't lie, when I first saw the WE version with markings I thought 'damn those look fake'. Turns out so does the real gun, looks like a bland afterthought. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ah, didn't see the one with the included suppressor. But it does look like the same threwads on the barrel so you can put the adapter and your can of choice afterwards. Does it come with a spare extended inner barrel or is there an Angry Gun thing going on where the suppressor has an inner barrel extension? Also, with the thumb rest on both sides, that's to coincide with the step on the mag where it funnels from double stack to single. It's not as pronounced as it looks so should fit the trigger finger on the other side comfortably. Enlarged backstrap on the PMM is for ergonomics with complaints of the original PM being too small I guess. edit: And a fine time for the PMM to come out after the fact I've already spent my money on void fillers. Will wait some months before I can allow myself to spend more, and when the non treaded version comes out. Not too keen on the export markings myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 there seems to be a separate inner barrel that is covered by the suppressor, and the two inner barrels fit together inside, so no disassembly is needed. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Why the hell is the black version more 0_0 Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Because it's new and business minded people are quick to exploit a demand. At least they're not like Cyberscum and put a $200+ price tag on it. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I wondered that too. But it seems obvious really. Silver version is just the unfinished metal that has been polished. Where as the black one has been "polished" (not mirror finish but smoothened out) and then painted black. So it's more work and materials for the black version. At least that's the conclusion I came up with. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Is the silver one really unfinished metal? Or is it coated silver like some of the other WE silver pistols? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 WE's silver is not just bare metal. If it was they'd turn gray in just a week of disuse as they're made of zinc which oxidizes very quickly. They're sort of plated I guess as they're harder wearing than typical paint or they use an epoxyepoxy type paint. Link to post Share on other sites
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