ED-SKaR Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Monolith arms p12 in case anyone is wondering.Totally forgot about that one, shame it got canned How interesting and unusual. Looks like you fire with the pump in the rear position...Exactly correct Kushnapupwat Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Why pump? Non automatics are obsolete. Make it semi. Because not all round types can reliably cycle in a semi auto (at least that is why Spas-12s have the switchover option)? Because you don't want to eject the round directly after firing, such as if you have someone next to you in a breaching situation? Because you want a reliable second option in case of a jam? There are other reasons too but pump shotguns or switchable pump and auto shotguns still have their uses in the modern world, just perhaps not so much nowadays. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 There are many recoil operated semi autos that wont cycle properly with a lightload. Exactly right Fireknife. The Spas and Benelli M3 have the switch feature for ease of clearing jams, able to shoot any round required yet still have semi auto. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Plus from what I recall a Breaching shotgun needs to be semi as the lower impulse breaching rounds (given they are used close up they need a sharp punch but not too sharp) can't cycle reliably as mentioned? Not denying semi auto shotguns don't have a use, but pump is like bolt action, it still has some useful applications even if it is an old design. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Totally forgot about that one, shame it got canned Exactly correct wat Kushnapup, it's a stock kit to make a Saiga into a bullpup. Others have said it, it fires from the pump rear position and the whole barrel moves to reload. Another shotgun that does that is the Idaho entry gun, not in production, it was a "masterkey" style prototype. What you might find interesting about it is that is is mag fed, fires from pump rear, the barrel moves to accomplish loading and the trigger is in the in where the mag tube would be on a conventional shotgun. That last point is fascinating because it means that the trigger is pulled by the finger of the off hand while the primary hand is still in the firing position for your main armament. The breacher can use the shotgun to "open" the door and then move into the room with a rifle without switching position at all. Awesome. I have no idea why it was never manufactured in numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I suppose the M26 has taken over the Idaho Entry gun despite it's less ergonomic fire controls. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Stupid M26 Link to post Share on other sites
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