Gunnman Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 If you wanted a single stack 1911 ten years ago, then your only choices were WE or WA. WE's sucked. And that is when WA released their Marsoc, MEU and Warrior. Metal slides by SD were fairly priced and easy to obtain. KSC Glock's were more common to see then either TM(Except their Beretta) or WA. Atleast from what I remember. Link to post Share on other sites
CALLAHAN_88 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 TM made the 1911 before WE! I know because I bought it when it came out on the market. I have had four we pistols and i only miss one the sig 228. But it sucked as all the rest of them but i love the look. This is what have had over the years! 2st Marui Beretta Tactical master2st Marui Beretta Tactical master chromeMarui Beretta samurai edge5st Marui P226R2st Marui 2st P226R chrome2st Marui P226eMarui1st Hi-capa 5.1Marui Hi-capa 5.1 stainlessMarui beretta PX4Marui 1911Marui 1911 MEUMarui 1911 DetonicsMarui 1911 Desert warriorMarui 1911 Strike warriorMarui 1911 Night Warrior2st Marui Glock 171st KWA Beretta 93R3st KSC Glock 26C3st KWA Glock 23F1st KSC Glock 18C2st KJW Sig P2291st WE Sig P2282st WE Glock 18C1st WE Beretta PX4 bulldog1st Western Arms Beretta 92F INOX1st Westerna Arms 2011 SVI Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 You could be right about WE single stack. I might be thinking 2007-08 release. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Odd how peoples experiences differ. Western Arms are the only gbb's I've owned (which have had quite a few rounds through) that have never failed - still have four of them. I've had every other make break at some point including TM. Worse reliability I've found personally is KSC. If you really want a full metal 1911 at a reasonable cost, then I'd try an Army 1911. I have two and both have been pretty good. The castings and overall quality vs price really is quite impressive. Link to post Share on other sites
CALLAHAN_88 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I love the feel and look in WA guns but back then they had poor hop up. And my Beretta Inox got an stuck slide that did not come of. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 True about the hop, but I forgave that due to the build / finish and reliability really. I remember buying a 92F in circa 1999, sold it to a mate in around 2005. It's been shot to death, he still has it and it still works ok. Even the mag still holds gas!! Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I love the feel and look in WA guns but back then they had poor hop up.To be honest, they still do. Link to post Share on other sites
hotelkilo Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 indeed, i have a wa combat commander here than i will never skirmish with because the performance compared to a tm is laughable. the hop is super sensitive, not terribly consistent and requires a partial strip down and a tool to adjust. i did have a wa gbb years ago that i managed to set the hop on, took me several shooting sessions and a lot of time wasted to get there conversely on a tm 1911 type u could have adjusted the hop in the time its taken you to read this post and it will stay set Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Justcbrought a hi capa style gbb: k-warrior, the full auto one. This site had one left for 40 kwid serious bargain. I think its a 3.8 clone if im not mistaken. Priority one is losing those grips and putting some decent woodwork there. My budget was a hundred so anything weak or poor quality can be swapped out for good parts, though im not gonna fall into the hi capa upgrade black hole- i just want to plug somebody at cqb range. Dont laugh, but I also brought a bison KAC pdw as ive always liked springers (Been shooting air rifles for decades and they last forever). The pdws supposed to be real heavy and Ive been meaning to try and make a self-loading spring rifle. Would fitting a propane adapter to a hi-capa be simple btw? Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Would fitting a propane adapter to a hi-capa be simple btw? You don't fit the adapter to the gun, you fit it to the propane bottle, and it's as easy as screwing the adaptor to the threads of the bottle. Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Thats great news, I work in a builders merchant soi get propane for next to nothing- Are there any benefits performance and reliability wise (is propane gentler on the guns interjals)? Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Propane is the same as green gas but cheaper and smellier; performance, wear, reliability etc. should all be the same. Sometimes propane can have slightly more pressure than green, but it's usually like 10 psi so nothing drastic. The only was using propane might affect your reliability is that it doesn't have any lubricant in it so you have to do that yourself. If you work in a builders merchant you'd be daft to not use propane! Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Cheers ive no xp with gas other than my cp88, and thats had 2000pellets through it tops. I guess ill need to get into the habit of regular breakdown-clean-and lube, but i kind of enjoy that stuff. And a man packing a .45 can never have enough lubwle...So, propane it is then. As for upgrades, im going for bomb-proof reliability as its auto but also a nice crisp trigger pull, with decent reset. The slide is solid steel and heavy asxyou like; the idea of that slamming back and forth surely cant be good for gas and long term life; Funnily enough a bloke in the tool hire hunts with airguns and his machining skills with rifles is sweet; I may ask him to do some lightning cutsike on the g18c The idea of a short slide ala the p38 would be frigging sweet but I wouldnt want to mess with balance. Would fitting an alloy slide improve pwrformance in any way? Btw can anyone tell me whata hi capa actually is? I know it means hi capacacity and is clearly a custom 1911 but is it based on a real life firearm? Link to post Share on other sites
hotelkilo Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 http://www.sviguns.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 You just gotta love SV's....... Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Thats great news, I work in a builders merchant soi get propane for next to nothing- Are there any benefits performance and reliability wise (is propane gentler on the guns interjals)? Green gas IS propane. Generally airsoft green gas has lubricant added to it, and you have a different safety smell added to it, but beyond that it's identical. Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Oh lord...To live in Texas....its hot, fat, and they still murderize their felons; and now I see these works of art: utopia! Man, that one built from titanium though - just beautiful. Strange, for a while I thought this was actually a hi capa site, just shows the realism on offer now Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Green gas IS propane.Generally airsoft green gas has lubricant added to it, and you have a different safety smell added to it, but beyond that it's identical. Oh right. So this predator maintenance gas is just propane with a lubricant? The propane is so cheap compared to green gas though, even the added lubricant doeant justify the extra £££s imo. So whats red gas? Ive seen gas guns for sale that strongly advise againstcusing green, wheras the kimber ive ordered specifies green only, src "kickass" in particular; why is that. (Forgive the noob questions this is my first gas airsoft pistol. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Oh right. So this predator maintenance gas is just propane with a lubricant? The propane is so cheap compared to green gas though, even the added lubricant doeant justify the extra £££s imo. So whats red gas? Ive seen gas guns for sale that strongly advise againstcusing green, wheras the kimber ive ordered specifies green only, src "kickass" in particular; why is that. (Forgive the noob questions this is my first gas airsoft pistol. Preditor gas is lower pressure than green/propane Red gas is higher pressure than green/propane (I think)Kickass is propane. Recommended gasses sometimes mean that a certain gun will probably break on higher pressures, if they recommend a particular brand then they have a deal to sell that particular brand and want moneymoney. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 TM normally say not to use green gas, but thousands and thousands of people run them on nothing but green gas for years and years without issues. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 TM normally say not to use green gas, but thousands and thousands of people run them on nothing but green gas for years and years without issues. True, though I would be wary on the 5-7, XDM and M&P when it gets hot. They have the new larger chamber like and unlike the PX4, don't really have as much reinforcement in the slide return points. However a TM 1911 based design? Pretty much TMs best design ever for Green, doesn't run too hard but has buffers where it needs them to keep going. As for the 1911 design, WE was actually first but they were so awful literally nowhere stocked them (Airsoft World had to send there batch back after they had a 50% fail rate on sold models) with the TM coming out literally weeks later. I remember as it was just at the time I started airsoft back in mid-2006. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Replacement nozzle will have the xdm and px4 running perfect until your slide deforms then get a aloy slide Link to post Share on other sites
JackofBlades2448 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I do like the alloy slides but theres something about a big lump of solid steel, preferably with wood grips... Surely theres a finish that would prevent this warping? Cerakote, something like that. Ive seen chrome plating kits for reasonable prices too; loud sure, but good chrome work is hardy as hell. Btw does a heavier slide use more gas/ have more recoil than alloys? Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Replacement nozzle will have the xdm and px4 running perfect until your slide deforms then get a aloy slide But then that is not the base gun and not everyone wants the extra cost / risk associated with paying for / fitting for yourself such parts. In stock for not all TM guns can handle Green in every temperature but the majority can, the TM 1911A1 being such a design. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 As for what guns can handle what gasses, it really depends on where you are in the world. I live in the UK and use a TM 1911 on propane. In hotter parts of the world propane would kill a TM 1911, but you'd have to be much closer to the equator and further from the oceans than the UK is. Link to post Share on other sites
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