famidesu Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 So I have been looking around for quite a bit, trying to do research - but I can't seem to find the answers I'm looking for. At least not in the way that I can understand. Maybe this will be helpful for everyone who likes to plink or run IPSC stuff but not while using any sort of gas. QUESTIONS I bought one of those HPA magazine adapters under the name "CQB Russian".I know that I'm going to need some sort of hose system with female and or male connectors to hook up with a compressor or tube as well as a sort of regulator to manage the pressure. • What sorts? • Are there kits? Which ones would be alright? • Am I missing something? (Except information that I don't have) - If you have a setup of your own. Please feel free to post it. Also if you have some sort of home made or bought "target system" you practice your aim on. It's a bummer that I can't edit this first post for easier access for links and answers posted here. Well, if it ever becomes that long. Link to post Share on other sites
ShinSeiki Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Hi there! first a very serious warning, don't EVER connect a pressurised HPA tank directly to the CQB russian valve. That turns your magazine into a hand grenade and it can cause very serious injuries. So since you are replacing Green Gas for HPA you need to make sure your HPA pressure matches the Green Gas pressure the gun was designed for (plus or minus any fine ajustments you want to make) so you need a regulator that takes the regular 3000/4500 PSI and outputs the pressure you want (whatever works best for the gun, i like 130PSI, the equivalent of propane @22 celcius). Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I've seen this before and wondered why you would do that to the mag - seems like a lot of effort when you need to change mags...... I can understand connecting to a gun, like the breacher, but to the mags- I don't get it. And you would need air bottles and regulators - pretty much the normal hpa gear I would imagine Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
ShinSeiki Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 There is a small outfit called Alyan Airsoft that make HPA converted hi-caps, making the shift a lot more practical. Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Yeah, just watched a video of it. But don't like hi caps. Anyway, enough of me drifting the thread off topic Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
famidesu Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I don't get it. It's all good. It's not for everybody. I don't have a lot of mags anyways and I shoot mostly standing still, at targets - for fun! I just don't like gas, it's not good for you nor the environment and it's expensive on its own. Air is free, the setup will pay itself many times over time. Hi there! first a very serious warning, don't EVER connect a pressurised HPA tank directly to the CQB russian valve. That turns your magazine into a hand grenade and it can cause very serious injuries. So since you are replacing Green Gas for HPA you need to make sure your HPA pressure matches the Green Gas pressure the gun was designed for (plus or minus any fine ajustments you want to make) so you need a regulator that takes the regular 3000/4500 PSI and outputs the pressure you want (whatever works best for the gun, i like 130PSI, the equivalent of propane @22 celcius). Thanks for that. I'm sure many will appreciate that tip. Haha. My guns are fully customized with cnc cut 6061 / 7072 aluminum (never casted) and steel parts so the highest safe amount of PSI would be great. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 If you do shooting in garage setting you find all you need from Biltema. They have a cheap regulator, fittings and hose. Hook it up to a basic 10bar compressor and your fine for target blinking. Link to post Share on other sites
famidesu Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Thank you Korppi!However. That's the problem, I've seen the sort of reply a few times: the problem with it is that we who have little or no info or knowledge about HPA in the first place have no clue what they are called, what size to look for - or are the all the same? Do they go by a certain name? etc Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Alrighty then. Things look bit too simple when one looks at 'em too long. For a HPA rig one can invest a bit more to very flexible hoses and more compact fittings not forgetting regulators made to go with HPA bottles but I'll assume your not intending to investing in such..? They are "generally not available" inside EU that much but some stores have started to sell P* associated gear and so more "professional" ready to play HPA rigs are popping up here and there. Basically in pressure coupler/fitting things are often in inches. 1/4" and 1/8" etc are measures you'd get familiar quick. Hoses in the other hand are often in millimeters. Problems come from standards. Americans have their NPT and we get to use the British BSP. The male coupler you bought for the magazine conversion is a "Foster" quick disconnect coupler popular in airguns, paintball. So what you need is a female QD coupler which fit it. I'm not good at googling in swedish so you could try to find this: http://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=721 Usually found in professional hunting, airgun sports stores here locally. If you want to build a garage setup from what for us Scandinavians have with easily accessible Biltema brand of tool retail you'd be looking at a following setup including the coupler above. Lets start building the rig looking from the gunside. You can build the rig using prebuilt hose with couplers in both ends or use plain hose and use barbed fittings to connect. Problem is that these can leak. This example rig is a bulky one using prebuilt hose but simple and you can use the many disconnects to customize the length. For the Female Foster coupler you need this to make it fit the rest of the rig. http://www.biltema.fi/sv-fi/Verktyg/Tryckluft/Luftslang-och-koppling/Snabbkoppling-2000021525/ Spiraling hose with couplers. http://www.biltema.fi/sv-fi/Verktyg/Tryckluft/Luftslang-och-koppling/Spiralslang-2000028441/ Next we need the regulator. So to connect the regulator to the hose (or compressor) you need a 1/4" male threaded fitting. http://www.biltema.fi/sv-fi/Verktyg/Tryckluft/Luftslang-och-koppling/Insticksnippel-2-st-2000023716/ Regulator with female 1/4" thread in both sides of it. http://www.biltema.fi/sv-fi/Verktyg/Tryckluft/Tillbehor/Tryckregulator-med-manometer-2000022915/ Now you just plug it in to the compressor which has a female fitting (or add another set of hose and then connect to compressor etc). The ID of the hose directly affect the volume of air you'd have going in to your gun. With weapons using a lot of air fast it can be a problem with tight ID hoses, but we're talking 3-4mm ID. Fitting ID also affects flow and work as restrictions. Don't know your compressor size but if you'd have a full auto gun you'd soon have the compressor activate to refill the tank anyway. Use teflon tape to secure the thread on thread connections. Link to post Share on other sites
famidesu Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Alrighty then. KIITOS!! That's exactly what I was looking for, understanding! You should get a medal of sorts. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Your welcome Link to post Share on other sites
dealda Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I am also Interested imto a GBBP, especially into a conversion like this: https://youtu.be/gSDdo_v0NvU But am not sure if I want to use an electric Drum or a Normal High-Cap. Greetings Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I may or may not have been considering that for my 1911s, both to run a 'racegun' style pistol and perhaps maybe my BMG. Just a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Oh god a full auto 1911 with a mag feeding from belt *fruitcage* that's dirty and wrong I love it. Run the tube for bb's up your jacket from an inside pocket and hide it and oh god yes! Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 "I'm gonna give it to you high and give it to you low!" Brakakakakakakaka I'd not bother hiding the hose, too much work and it risks jamming the BB feed. Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Dual wield some glock 18s with that setup. Or, I see that rig and think a ghostbusters loadout would work with that. Bit of work to get the gun looking right, but would be quite cool. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
famidesu Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 If I ever get around to buying a .22 kit for the Hi Capa. I'd like to convert it to full auto. That'd rock with that type of autofeeder. Link to post Share on other sites
dealda Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 @ED-SKaR I agree, especially when you are already running with a Hpa Line. At the moment I am considering gluing an Well R2 Drum under the Mag (Tm Glock) Hopefully I will get my Tank today. Link to post Share on other sites
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