blobface Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 That barrel has been given the TM shiny finish... Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm still having a hard time believing that's only 134a. Link to post Share on other sites
Leshy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Did any one get there's shipped, I got a regret letter from echygoya and told that's it till late December early January. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm still having a hard time believing that's only 134a. Japan can do crazy stuff with 143a. I have WAs that kick harder on 134a than TM/KSC e.t.c on green. Link to post Share on other sites
arne71 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 From the Echigoya webpage: First Batch Shipments Start November 14th. Second Batch Shipments Start December Date TBD. WARNING: This is first come first serve please note stocks are very limited so we cannot insure that everyone who pre-orders will be able to get theres in the first batch so refunds will be available if you wish to cancel. Link to post Share on other sites
Bastel Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Nice shooting test Link to post Share on other sites
Beeingmyself Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 What a beautifully video. Presenting a brand new gun and a brand new magazine. Nice recoil. It is all really beautifully. I remember a few years back when ICS came with their new design splitgearbox. Everybody gonna get that in the future.... When WE M4 GBB CB came out everybody gonna get that in the future. When the OB came out everbody gonna get that in the future. When the Vipertech came out Nah Forget that one. The point being presenting a video doesn't assure that the thing work when out of the box and in the field just because the video looks good. Maybe I've just spend too many years in airsoft to let my cage get rattled by a fancy video. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 TM has a strong product line though. Even if the long 870 had minor issues, their breachers were fixed. Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The point being presenting a video doesn't assure that the thing work when out of the box and in the field just because the video looks good. You mean how that applies to any product with a youtube video? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The springy locking lugs and gas key is new. I'm wondering if it's to address impact stress or carrier bounce or both. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Am I the only one that found the ROF to be a bit sluggish? Maybe a bit of cooldown more than expected? I've shuffled through a few videos, maybe they didnt comment on the temp but in mach sakai video i saw it. Granted I have no idea what hes saying the whole time as the only reviews available right now are japanese ones. I wonder how the gas efficiency is Link to post Share on other sites
dapprman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Am I the only one that found the ROF to be a bit sluggish? Maybe a bit of cooldown more than expected? I've shuffled through a few videos, maybe they didnt comment on the temp but in mach sakai video i saw it. Granted I have no idea what hes saying the whole time as the only reviews available right now are japanese ones. I wonder how the gas efficiency is Nope - the magazine where he just did short bursts sounded fine, but the one before that where he did a mix and finished with a long burst sounded very sluggish at the end. Being new he might still have been getting sued to how much gas to fill the mags with. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 In Nishiyan's video it was 27°C. The thing with Mach Sakai is he also tests how much gas mags hold so maybe the slower shots are towards the tail end? Either way, that still just on 134a. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I feel that I gave the whole propane on 134a too much blind faith, it was like the TM MP7, I was really impressed by the Japanese shooting videos back when they were released, thinking if it could perform like that on 134a, it'd rule on propane even through the cold seasons... it didn't. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Comes down to colder climate performance, because indoors here in Toronto gets down to 10-15 degrees. So far the GHK's haven't been a let down, running 3 CO2 mags this season too. Still waiting on a non-jap review, please do a cold mag test. Link to post Share on other sites
Finbarqs Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 damn... shouldn't have waited to pick one up from redwolf yesterday... had a 15% coupon also... oh well.. then again, I have a shitload of WA M4's... Link to post Share on other sites
Zereck Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 If it is anything like my TM MP7 was it should have no problem with green gas. I used my TM MP7 on green all the time be it 1-30 celsius and never had a problem, it worked suprisingly good even in cold. I never had any of the nozzle issues that others have experienced tough. Ehobby video: Seems like they using green gas since they chronoing it on 350 average FPS. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm hoping with FL in the U.S. the 134a will be pretty good. In the past, the mp7 has operated pretty well and reliable on 134a, but it averages here 86 F or something like that. Days when it's 101F, even im scared if the nozzle will pop if i leave the 134a filled mags in the sun lol. Propane is definitely suicide here though for marui GBBs, save a few designs (1911, px4, etc). So if those vids are sluggish on the ROF, i hope it will be balanced out by our hot weather. I remember one christmas here it was raining and another year it was 90 F. I think the thick humidity here also ruins the BBs path LOL jk Link to post Share on other sites
sadigh Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well placed goalkeeper! Yet no one in their right drug! Sought by Natalinha will give a better life to my mother! (watch this with english auto generated subtitles ) Link to post Share on other sites
Siavash Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Looks like from a lot of these videos that real steel parts are a no go, the charging handle is not same size as a real one and many other parts tooo..which means modding is only down to parts made buy TM.. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Real steel stocks and pistol grips are compatible. That's usually the standard for most AR-15 GBBRs. Rails are often compatible except for the barrel nut. It's my understanding that TM have a slightly different spec upper receiver thread. Some people have made aftermarket rails work by making shims. No idea how extensive that modification is. Charging handles are rarely a drop in product so I'm not even slightly surprised there. There will be more aftermarket support over this next year, but it may be slow growth as the industry is more cautious than ever as consumers aren't buying with the fervor seen in years prior. The bigger concern is QC. On TM's side of production it's been good. What I didn't know until recently was that the Cerakoting is all done by Suzutomo in Japan. This is in large part because Suzutomo has a monopoly in Japan (he registered it there first and legally blocks any other party from mentioning the word Cerakote in Japan). TM is having all the coating done by Suzutomo and the coating work done by them has been good and consistent. However, Suzutomo wasn't able to scale up their in-house capabilities and not being able to meet TM's volume requirement, Suzutomo (not TM) ended up having to outsource a great deal of the work to a second coating service in Japan. The result is that more and more Japanese buyers have been reporting a variance in this first production batch. Some have observed the traditional thin film of cerakote that looks more like what they'd expect from a real steel product and the gun performs as advertised, whilst others have reported that the coating is unexpectedly thick and given TM's tight tolerances that only allowed for a correct cerakote spec'ed finish, have reported the gun's parts are too tight and occasional jams and other parts binding up. Between Suzutomo's Japanese cerakoting monopoly politics and the cerakote quality control issues, TM have since not mentioned cerakote much past the initial marketing campaign, and may not be marketing it as having Cerakote in the future. They may still be using it but having it applied by a different coater or in-house themselves, but they'd be legally barred from mentioning "cerakote". They may also be switching coatings to another similar coating system that is not controlled by Suzutomo as many other would be cerakote applicators in Japan have also switched from. It's really quite an unbelievable predicament Japan's legal system has allowed to exist. They do not observe international trademarks and copyrights, only those registered locally within Japan. So while companies like "Cerakote" and entities like "ArniesAirsoft" may have existed for years, regardless of who actually owns those companies, it comes down to whoever registers it first in Japan who has legal control over the trademark and name use within Japan. That's pretty crazy. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 TM, introducing the all new airsoft firearms coating system, "Derpacote". Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They're not all bad. The only worry is, do you receive one of the properly coated guns or one of the outsourced coated guns. ???? Link to post Share on other sites
Siavash Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Here is a big question, is this better than a WE M4 with RA upgrades? Trying to justify buying another M4 with loads of mags.. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Is this better than a WE? Is this better than a KSC? Is this better than a GHK? We'll have to wait and see as more reviews come out, other than eHobby's short video, there's hardly any footage of the gun on green gas. One thing I can immediately tell you is that the magazines are twice as heavy as the WE magazines, they're in fact 20-30% heavier than a real one fully loaded... Link to post Share on other sites
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