ED-SKaR Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Since the new clone of the webley has been announced, I went to tinker with my GH to get a feel for how it works and what kind of mod potential it has. Ideally I want it running green gas at ~300fps, but that's beside the point right now. In disassembling and reassembling it I have no idea how to get the trigger spring back into place. It clearly has a long and short arm around the central coil, the long arm of the spring fits into a slot on the revolvers hand, and the shot arm has a corresponding peg on the right side frame. But I cannot get it into place! How on earth do you get both ends of the spring in at the same time? I'e even tried using a piece of string to pull one end up when the rest is in place. I've been at this for over an hour, please help :s. On an asside, is it worth having a standing thread for this gun, as it is notably different to the other WinGun models? Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Usually, with most winguns, i have to put the "bottom" side in place and use a thin, flat screwdriver to wedge the other side in place. It tends to take a few tries. but this is going by my experience with the Dan Wessons and Nagants. I haven't taken my Webleys apart to the fire control group, having had no reason to do so yet. I just assume its a similar setup. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Unfortunately that wont work here, the axle for the trigger goes in the coils of the spring, and BOTH ends of the spring are underneath the trigger when fitted. You can't hold it in place, because there is nothing for it to push against until the trigger is in, and you can't pry it in after fitting, because the trigger is in the way then. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 After a lot of swearing, a broken screwdriver and about 3 attempts I've managed to get the thing back together. I'll try to explain here how, to help anyone else who is having the same trouble I had. If anyone comes up with a better solution, please let me know. Install the hammer safety and gas rout in the frame, but not the hammer. Fit the cylinder stop to the hammer but not the hand. Put the trigger spring in first, with the loops lined up with the trigger hole, and the smaller arm on its peg. This will leave the longer arm hanging out into the trigger guard. Fit the trigger, it will not go into its hole because the coils of the spring hold it away. use a small tool (I used a 3mm flathead screwdriver) to push the longer arm of the spring up into the frame, and push it into the area where the hand will go. push down slightly on the hammer safety so that the peg on the trigger fits into its channel. The trigger should now pull properly and reset, taking the hammer safety along for the ride. put the hand in half way, do not push it all the way in or the trigger spring will fall back out. use a small tool (I used the same 3mm flathead) to get under and lift up the longer arm of the trigger spring. Once it's out of the way, the hand can be fully seated, make sure it's pointed upwards and release the trigger spring into the indent on the hand. Install hammer and side plate, screw the thing back together and run away, having succeed. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 So on the whole best advice is avoid stripping the bugger unless you absolutely have too. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 So on the whole best advice is avoid stripping the bugger unless you absolutely have too. EEeeeyyup. Massive pain for me as I want to switch it over to GG. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 If you end up doing it and it working il be interested in a guide specially if you can do the clone the same way dependant on spare shells being available/modifiable Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 If you end up doing it and it working il be interested in a guide specially if you can do the clone the same way dependant on spare shells being available/modifiable Upon learning how the mechanism works, it would require fabrication of a steel component. I simply do not have the tools to make one, and it's a very strange shape so I can't drill into it to modify it :s. Essentially there is only one moving part inside the valve, it has a gas channel through it that leads to a gas port at the rear end of it. This gas port is pressed against a rubber pad when ready to fire and the gas pressure holds it tight. When the hammer lands this piece is pushed forwards, away from the rubber pad and that lets gas into the port and through the channel. Once the hammer bounces away the spring closes it again. You can increase the gas flow by drilling additional holes through this component, but it's hardened metal due to needing to hold back raw co2. You can probably also use different or modified shells to change the power, but I haven't looked into what modifications give the best results as I only have 6 shells to play with and don't want to damage them. I also have a vague idea for increasing the capacity of the revolver (and all similar airsoft revolvers) and reduce its dependence on shells altogether. Link to post Share on other sites
Kalashnikov_kid Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Any reason why you can't use CO2 if it's at a safe FPS? Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Any reason why you can't use CO2 if it's at a safe FPS? It's not a matter of 'can't' it's a matter of 'don't want to'. CO2 capsules cannot be topped up like a green gas magazine can be, so if you've shot the gun a few times you have to make the choice between going into the next firefight with a gun that will run out of gas, or dump some of the gas and refill it. Add to that the fact that 12g capsules are hideously expensive in comparison to even the overpriced airsoft green gas :s. I already have two other, incompatible, types of compressed gas and three different, incompatible, electrical cells/batteries, I don't want YET ANOTHER power source for just one gun, especially as the benefits of the system don't work for me. That said, If I can get the gun to use an external gas rig, then I'd be just as happy. I made up a design for an adaptor to do just that but custom machining it would be expensive. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Have you thought about using the green gas canisters shaped like co2 bulbs that hkmountain sell? As for external rigs Dunno if this will help but https://thumpyairsoft.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/booligan-asg-tac6-external-co2hpa-conversion-advanced-novelty-tech-adapter/ It might, annoyingly none of the conversions of the old KWC guns will work because they modded the mag not the gun but you could still and tap a co2 cart for an appropriate valve creating a dummy cartridge and connect a gas line that way easily enough and from There regulating the pressure could sort your power delivery easily enough. With a qd on the air line all you'd lose is the gas in the bulb when disconnected. In terms of shells could you convert the standard Webley shells to the right size? Or even make some out of 45acp and casting rubber? The other option would be to contact magic9 the air rifle tech he's the main dan Wesson specialist in the uk and he may have some ideas he's meant to be doing the boys revolver when I get round to sending it been ill and skint so not really happened Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I already have some of the greengas bulbs, currently the gun is not powerful enough to even get the BB to leave the shell, and I haven't even fitted a hop unit to it yet. As for existing external rig adaptors, those are exactly what I want except that they look like they wont fit the webley because it takes the bulb in a different orientation. Real webley shells wont fit because they are .455 where the GH webley uses much smaller, nearly .357 shells. Not heard of magic9 and a google search only turns up cleaning products. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 http://www.magic9designltd.com/airsoft-to-air-pistol-conversions This guy. Is the uk dw specialist and dang I thought the webley was the full 455 version not the 38/200 and I meant comparing the clone versions wit Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 http://www.magic9designltd.com/airsoft-to-air-pistol-conversions This guy. Is the uk dw specialist and dang I thought the webley was the full 455 version not the 38/200 and I meant comparing the clone versions wit Thanks The gun is correctly sized for the .455, but the shells are undersized, they are not 38/200 and they are not .455. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 He can do shell conversions maybe he could find a way to get standard shells to fit the clone or the standard shells to fit the clone dunno really I reckon you'd get on with the guy he's a 1911 nut Link to post Share on other sites
Kalashnikov_kid Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Could you use the gas tank from a TM NBB pistol and open out the output valve a bit? Link to post Share on other sites
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