AG1212 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Both seem to have the same models and look identical, both not released yet, both a clone of the Marui system. Anyone know who the shared OEM is for them? Wasn't there an A&K clone at some stage? Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Didn't Well release a dirt cheap knockoff of the TM 870? Tapped out with Tapatalk. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 JG, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites
firefex Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I was asking myself the same about the differences between them. Since i do not have a shotgun for myself and i am really wanting to get one i am still searching for a gas one. Considering the ksg aswell but it is a bit higher in price.... Verstuurd vanaf mijn E5823 met Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Golden Eagle OEM. They are supposed to be better materials internally then Marius, unsure of externals, but my breacher got dented from a bb on outer barrel so.. Also 1/4 the cost + gas tube?! Going to check one out at a store Wednesday. Will follow up Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Most likely Jing Gong / Golden Eagle OEM. I have this one, 120$. it's a mistery to me how these are not more popular, given that they are actually better than the original Marui (at least in the beginning, everyone was complaining about 6-mode only feeding 5 BBs). Great Buy. http://cop9gun.com/prshop/en/other-airsoft-series/1178-golden-eagle-m870-gas-powered-shotgun.html?search_query=m870&results=15 Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 The main thing that put me off getting one was that I knew they would release a version with the buffer tube and pistol grip and I VASTLY prefer that to the standard shotgun stock. Seems the rebranders have gotten them in first though. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Seems the rebranders have gotten them in first though. Yup. Probably it was talked about before release. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 The main thing that put me off getting one was that I knew they would release a version with the buffer tube and pistol grip and I VASTLY prefer that to the standard shotgun stock. Seems the rebranders have gotten them in first though. Makes me wonder, when will they get around to copying the Breacher? Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Makes me wonder, when will they get around to copying the Breacher? That is the right question to make. Ive looked into building one with a JG full size and spare breacher parts, but it comes out to about Marui price, and I just don't wanna spend that money when I know (I hope) a clone breacher is (should) be around the corner. Link to post Share on other sites
Tinkerton Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I'm seriously tempted by these to be honest. Any UK stores with them yet? Link to post Share on other sites
Colin_The+Ferret Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 ASPUK has them on pre-order. Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I believe delivery to stores has been delayed because of the massive tnt it problem. The containers with them in have now been located in Brussels..... Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Checked one out yesterday, (side saddle and gas rail thing on outer barrel, and gas buffer stock) Pretty hefty, felt nice and solid. Finish reminded me of the metal cyma, think TM still has a better finish externally imo. Comes with 6 shells which is nice. Didn't rack it because it was nib at a store, but holding it was nice, felt right, just to long for my taste. Will wait for a breacher model. Link to post Share on other sites
lonelytraker Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Can't believe i registered 13 years ago and just posted twice before. I have disassembled a Secutor G3 as I bought it just to do so. I like gas shotguns (own a M870 and KSG) and wanted to see if these Secutor liars will trully show up with a decent product. I tried to make some videos in both english/spanish at the same time but it ended up being a bit confusing for most of the people I asked so, sof far my videos are in spanish only. If i manage to have some time (pretty busy fixin the gun now) I will translate it. External build is quite good for it's price, more than what I was expecting for a mid-low cost airsoft gun: painted body, CNC made anodized buffer tube, decent stock, nice sound sand the handgun actually feels better than the TM to me. Outer barrel wobbles more than a TM (i found out that the screws that lock the outer barrel to the body were loose). Internal (gearbox) build is good meaning that everything moves smoothly, no sharp edges on plastic parts, acceptable amount of grease. Loading arms are painted and I am sure the paint in the slots for the loading lever will make a big mess when the paint wears off. Internal (pneumatic) build is quite poor, my velites g3 was venting gas directly on the first gas load and later on seemed to retain the gas but could hear some leaks here and there. As i completely took it down today i found out that the stock body is painted on the inside and that soft paint (even loctite degreaser removes it) eventually goes into the valve. Stock body is quite prone to leaks as the seals are just tightened with the screws and no sealant is used for the threads (needs gasket sealant imho). Main valve was full of dry grease and dirt, leaked after cleaning and found out that the two seals on the piston did not fit properly.Tried to polish the piston housing in my lathe and changed one of the seals for a tighter fit but still leaks (much less). Performance was poor as my gun had barely no hop effect, I found out that the inner barrels were full of dirt and metal bits and also full of scratches -> WTF SECUTOR! I just fitted some aftermarket barrels. We have tested 4 of these replicas so far and all of them except mine shoot straight up to 20m or so and then one bb falls down, another goes up vertically like a rocket and the last one goes straight as it should. These guns we have received need to be reworked to be skirmishable unless you are looking for engagements at short distances. Not worth unless you have the knowledge or know somebody who can mantain/upgrade it for you. If the issues below are solved, it would be a good purchase: -Leaks to be fixed -Barrels to be replaced Shall you guys find it interesting to watch my videos (sorry I am no youtuber) here are some: http://www.facebook.com/DRTAirsoftLab/ Link to post Share on other sites
lonelytraker Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Forgot to tell: TM compatibility! Gearboxes seem to be pretty much the same thing Nozzles-hop chambers seem to fit Same for external barrels, I have fitted a G&P aluminium barrel. Stocks are not a straight fit, neither the secutor stock body on the TM nor the TM stoock on the secutor body fit properly, seems to need some milling (just found it out 1h ago, will let you know) Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Hmm. Not the best news. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Golden Eagle (OEM, most likely) has released their own models. 87-116$. Not joking. http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/217428-marui-m870-clone-new-versions/ Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 These are Golden Eagle OEM.. JAG just runs the "show" like how they do for Echo 1 products. Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I asked Secutor on Facebook a while back who the OEM was, they claimed it was their product So looks like they charged extra for their brand name and potentially has QC issues. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Someone locally did a review here, for those interested: http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=184405 More or less.. it's an exact clone, so same problems the TM 870 had, though I think most issues would be "ok"; if you the buffer tube variant. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 For the extra price, QC is nowhere to be seen... Bad news indeed On the other hand, the JG ones are cheaper so they will be excellent for parts. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 If they claim it to be theirs, by all means someone should document all the QC issues and dump the photos on FB/reddit for them to wallow in. Link to post Share on other sites
Bando Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 we have the sec veri shotguns at A2 they are fairly solid, never seen a JAG one so cant compair. Link to post Share on other sites
CALLAHAN_88 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 The pipe flex alot. Link to post Share on other sites
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