NonEx Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 This is kind of serious and kind of not but I just had a really strange "premonition" if you will... We know from recent posts that the two upcoming hot-off-the-press releases from WE, Desert Eagle and Thompson, are going to be licensed by Cybergun. They have also been shown a lot for some time now first without Cybergun involvement and then with, and then it's been quiet for some time. Even though both items have been stated as "Coming soon!" and "Pre-orders available" etc. The Desert Eagle was supposed to hit retailers mid August according to the latest posts. And we are now getting close to the end of August. Anyways. The main point I am trying to make here is, based on the above, we see that Cybergun is moving in on WE to some extent already (my guess would be more or less forcefully with the help of their fantastic lawyers). My "premonition" is, Dog forbid, that Cybergun is in the process of "acquiring" WE's entire production line and brand as a final desperate attempt to get (some sort of) monopoly in the airsoft market and stay alive for the foreseeable future. I don't know if I can live in a world where WE gets overtaken by Cybergun Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 My guess is, Cybergun is paying WE out the *albatross* for the Desert Eagle and Tommy gun. It's not like all of WE products have been wiped from stores, only to be rereleased by Cybergun. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Cybergun paying WE.. whuat? Or Cybergun goes "Hey WE, we have the licensing rights for these two brands. Cut us in on the action or feel the wrath of our lawyers..." Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 i doubt it, it's not like WE have only a few lines to get income, their product range is pretty vast now so it wouldn't work as WE could just end the problem line and bring in one of the several others they are working on. As Cyber is cronically short of cash at the moment, I suspect that they have offered a much reduced "tithe" for WE to pay Cyber for fully traded products hoping that the sales will balance out the reduced income coming to CG. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 They have previous with AEG Thompsons though. I seem to recall even though mine came from HK it had a hacked up box with mentions of cyberscum removed. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Cybergun does not have the means to buy out WE. All they've really done (and very successfully) is threaten shops that carry WE effectively making an embargo against them. The delays I'm guessing is negotiation as to what can be distributed under and outside of the CG name. Obviously WE makes stuff which Umarex covers so it's probably getting hairy around those areas. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Indeed. Their stock is not what you would call...healthy. It's pretty much flat lined. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Wow, what made them tank so hard back in 2012? Did Grandpa Gaston went and glockblocked their asses? Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Hmm yeah I guess maybe a complete buy out is a bit extreme but I am worried they are pushing WE around and taking over some of their stuff and getting a cut of the profits and limiting their releases, which all in all is a bad thing. Friggen Cybercocks... Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Cybergun paying WE.. whuat? Or Cybergun goes "Hey WE, we have the licensing rights for these two brands. Cut us in on the action or feel the wrath of our lawyers..." Yeah... No. Yeah, like I said, they are probably paying out the *albatross*. Maybe not upfront, but maybe a little stock share in the long run, if it all works out? I don't think they can sue every manufacture that makes their stuff and expect to produce. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Stock share? Might as well *suitcase* in a paper bag and hand it to them. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Hahaha! Asian culture, must accept all gifts and show respect (no offense to Asians just what came to mind) I still don't see how Cybergun would make WE pay them for the Thompsons / Eagle... Have you not seen/heard of the Cybergun Glock lawsuits and take downs and what not? It's their method of operation. And the FN P90 story, yowza. Oh well, time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 So, you think WE is doing this out of the kindness of their heart? Like I said, no way in hell they would sue the only manufacture that can get them out of the hole. No way, notta, no. There is a reason for the Desert Eagle and Thompson being an exclusive for Cybergun. If WE wanted to, they would just release it under a different name and avoid Cybergun altogeather. They've done it before with both Umerex and Cybergun. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just posted by WE https://www.facebook.com/weairsoft/photos/a.621686384522140.1073741827.302822296408552/1713694298654671/?type=3&theater From the sound of things CG really is what's behind all delays. Just like the P90. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 I still don't see how Cybergun would make WE pay them for the Thompsons / Eagle... CG allows WE products (mainly thompson/DE or whatever else is in the basket) to be stocked across the US/EU. WE pays CG a cut from profits. Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Evike has the equivalent of a majority stake in WE. As a result they have been...pressing WE if you will to be a little more legitimate. At least making sure that they do produce US-approved versions. Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmg Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 The best thing airsoft could do would be to ban Cybergun and Krytac guns from fields. i.e. if you turn up with one, you need to put it back in your car and not bring it back again. That's the only way we can really push back. These companies are a cancer on the industry, trying to change what has always been. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 CG allows WE products (mainly thompson/DE or whatever else is in the basket) to be stocked across the US/EU. WE pays CG a cut from profits. That makes a little more sense. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 KY Airsoft stated they have taken delivery of WE Desert Eagles and waiting for release approval by WE and Cybergun. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 CG allows WE products (mainly thompson/DE or whatever else is in the basket) to be stocked across the US/EU. WE pays CG a cut from profits. That's kind of what I was getting at but maybe I worded it wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
The Disavowed Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I remember very similar with the p90, then it all went quiet, then all of a sudden there it was. Link to post Share on other sites
The Disavowed Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Although, speaking of the WE desert eagle, it is a little late to the game, but does anyone know what makes it different from the other desert eagles out there? I assume it will be full metal, and if it is anything like the other new guns that WE have been releasing then it will definitely be one for my arsenal, but what bells and whistles will it come with? Does anyone know what different colours will be available and will it come in different barrel lengths? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just black and chrome right now. No indication of any other colours. Main thing is full metal obviously. It does have full slide travel that no other brand replicate which is cool. Probably the main reason I'm interested in it. Do doubt will have a big BBU for decent recoil. Link to post Share on other sites
The Disavowed Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I am more and more interested in this, will it have co2 mags like the kwc? Link to post Share on other sites
The Disavowed Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 And by colours I meant satin chrome or nickel, not pink or blue :-D Link to post Share on other sites
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