renegadecow Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/TAF.Airsoft/videos/10156489364921521/?hc_ref=ARRrZS3pYPTxlyERuiWPbgY4R6VgSHgocnjJYF4frbGX2xjv6lg6UpxPT8cWdBODlJc Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 You beat me posting it by a few minutes! Instant buy, no questions. Link to post Share on other sites
AG1212 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 If they do a 550 in classic green it's a buy from me, actually scratch that I've a G&G 550 I could possibly use as a donor Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hnnngh want. I just hope GHK stop using their AEG barrel/hop up rubber combo and switch over to the TM GBB spec. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Aaawh... Wish it was WE :| Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Aaawh... Wish it was WE :| dafuq lol Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 ^ Would mean $150 less for the gun and $20 less for mags plus a sort of VSR hop up. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 but without the winter performance of GHK and no devilhunter mod.. as much as I'm a fan of WE's new stuff... Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 There's that, but mostly due to being designed for short stroke. Notice the charging handle only goes half way. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 This is good, good indeed. With this on the market, it gives me enough confidence to say they will also make a GBB G3 in the near future, and a MP5 . SIG related - looks cool, very unique.. most likely see what the price is for this bad boy. #GHKMASTERRACE Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 dafuq lol Yeah I know GHK does good GBBRs. It's not that. I am just a WE fan boi and invested in their systems/platforms and as RC said probably cheaper, VSR support, full blow back travel and normally WE gets more aftermarket support as well (or maybe I just haven't looked at GHK aftermarket support much). Not that a WE SIG 552 would share much with current WE rifles probably but still. I still wish it was a WE Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Ayy 553! I hope they make other 55X series rifles. While I'm not a fan, 556 and 556R using their existing AR and AK magazines would be awesome. Because I am a little scared about what happens with production down the line. Niche gun with proprietary magazine, I hope they don't dry up too quickly. Link to post Share on other sites
Zereck Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 There's that, but mostly due to being designed for short stroke. Notice the charging handle only goes half way. They short stroke their AKs too. I wonder why they do it. Gas efficency? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Yup. Gas efficiency/performance. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 If that were the case, wouldn't they have short stroked everything else they make? I'm more inclined to think they short stroked their AK to keep it from battering the rear trunnion to death, possibly the same with the SIG being somewhat related to an AK. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Perhaps. I just figured the AK recoil setup is not best suited for full travel GBB but trunnion failure is probably a better reason. Supposedly someone was coming out with a full travel kit for GHK. I wonder if it made it out and how it impacted things. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I think it's a combination of both, and the travel of AK (and SIG) are significantly longer than the length of the rounds they fire, at least compared to the AR platform, so they could afford giving the AR and AUG full travel but not for these guys. That said, the GHK M4 on green gas is still more efficient than a WE M4 (likely due to magazine design as well) and a short stroked Vipertech M4.. and they seem to be pretty committed to release Devilhunter compatible CO2 mags eventually with guns they release, with the AUG CO2 mags finally being released a few months ago. Speaking of which, I just ordered the W&S full travel kit for the GHK AK, will update on the appropriate thread to see the performance hit with the kit. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Judging by the slow mo vids, it looks like the bolt gets chewed up by the receiver. The rear guide lugs of the bolt clear past the rail of the receiver and every time the bolt goes forward you can see some aluminum bits being nicked off. Link to post Share on other sites
Dimitri MdP Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I celebrate the creation of a Sig 552 GBBR, whatever the brand.Being a GHK it's pretty much a guarantee it will be extremely well build, will have a great gas millage while keeping a decent kick... and will have an awful AEG hop that will fail to provide anything close to decent accuracy and range, let alone sustain the range on consecutive shots. That's what GHK do. Great short stroked GBBRs with awful hops. So we shouldn't expect nor demand anything else from their SIG. That said, the GHK M4 on green gas is still more efficient than a WE M4 (likely due to magazine design as well) and a short stroked Vipertech M4 That's bogus. Defining efficiency as the number of shots per mag fill is missing half of the picture. With that criteria, KWA guns with their pitiful recoil could be deemed the most efficient. Truth is, unless you're loosing gas between the mag gas route and the nozzle, nozzle and bolt carrier, or nozzle and chamber, all GBBRs are equally efficient. They are just designed and fine tuned for a different experience.- KSC/KWA prioritises minimal gas consumption by using light bolts and short stroking, in detriment of recoil. - WE prioritises recoil and full travel, which obviously takes more gas- GHK offers a compromise between both approaches.Then it's just a matter of personal preference, and balancing of other factors such as hop type / quality, build materials, surface finish, models available, etc. My personal choice will always be WE just because I like my GBBRs with full travel bolts and strong recoil, and their VSRish hops to use Maple Leaf barrel and buckings. But I get why some people would prefer GHK, or even freaking KWAs. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I love both platforms, but one thing ghk has over WE is build quality. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I love both platforms, but one thing ghk has over WE is build quality. **Mags Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 **Mags GHK Mags imho are the nicest available from any brand, particually the G5/M4 magazines, the design is excellent and the quality of the parts is very good as far as airsoft goes, even the release valve is a little bit of machined porn. WE Magazines are fine and the price reflects that, that's about as far as I'd go, the only one I've come across that struck me as particually well made was an XDM magazine. I might well have to get one of these myself, well, for R&D purposes, of course Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 ... It really isn't, just try using them in the winter in climate that is actually cold. KWA's light recoil still doesn't touch GHK on winter performance efficiency in the case of the AK, it's not like KWA is the most efficient due to its light recoil, it's not even close. There's a reason why GHK is hugely popular in some parts of the world. all GBBRs are equally efficient Just no. It's not personal preference, some platforms are just objective better than others when it comes to gas efficiency, the main advantage of WE, if we take the AR, is lighter mags and better hop, in terms of AK, it's heavier recoil with full bolt travel but lesser external material. My personal choice will always be the best all year round performing platform regardless of brand, so if I'm after an MP5 I'd be going with WE, not VFC, if I want an AK, I'd go GHK, not KWA, not WE, and same applies to AR especially DH mod exists. If I want an MP7, I'd go WE (or New Wave, same system), not KWA, VFC or TM due to the greater efficiency, light mag, hard kick, and 1:1 size. The brand loyalty makes no sense, just pick whichever one that is the best out of all of them. (fine, i get it if there's mag compatibility to consider if you don't want to buy a whole set, but this isn't one of those cases) Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 **Mags The new lightweight mags are really great. Link to post Share on other sites
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