TheFull9 Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 This is nothing to do with my personal airsoft kit, this is a work related question which I'd really appreciate some input with. Doesn't matter if it's Co2 or propane, can't be anything super high powered like an airgun that you couldn't shoot at other humans safely though. This is more a force-on-force type consideration than for target shooting, range and accuracy really don't matter too much by comparison to quality of build since we're talking about end users who've never handled airsoft and are used to the robust nature of real firearms/guns converted to SimFX. I'd cross off TM right away because a plastic slide won't pass muster (with the real decision makers) and the outer appearance needs to be pretty darn close to the Gen 3 (or ideally 4) pistol. This all might completely fall down if whatever's suggested doesn't fit the issued Radar holster, but that testing is still to come. At the moment I'm considering KJW, Stark, WE, maybe KSC/KWA and whatever other ideas folks might have. I feel WE will actually be more likely to have reliable internals than Stark/VFC but they might not fit the holster, either way as I say I'm open to any and all ideas folks might have within the above criteria. VFC Steel slide models for example, or I think they did some 'higher end' versions with better aluminium slides for example? Whatever brands you've owned or seen online you think would be well made, fire them at me. Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Radar holster as in leather? If so it’ll take everything. It’s what I use. It probably won’t last forever out of the box, but none of them will, and it’ll be the easier of the bunch source parts for, WE gets it Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 No the issued plastic horror bag. I've not tried in airsoft gun in one yet, I have a feeling it's big enough with enough spare room inside for TM spec to fit but I'll find out for sure later on. Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 short answer: doesn't exist alright... maybe KJW or WE, but they both have issues with holsters if the fit is tight Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 KSC is the only 1:1 G17 on the market for 9mm. If you want a 9mm marked unit with the dimensions of a G21...get anything else, which would be fine with KJW, which accepts more TM parts over WE. KSC actually are not that bad for training. I got them for Carver County Sheriff's in MN back in 2007 and they are still running. They of course follow proper maintenance and don't oil the mag. Rather they use gun oil on the rails and rub points and just use Dry Propane. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 From my experience with GBB pistols in general if you want something that last but doesn't look great KJWs are the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites
The Disavowed Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 For fof a good option is the rap17. Not the most realistic but certainly very reliable and gives you the options of using paintball rounds or rubber compliance rounds. I don't know how it will fare with your holsters, as I am not sure how dimensionally correct it is, I only know I have used one for fof training myself many years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Stark/VFC is out if you want reliability.KJW with Co2 magazines if you want reliability and a more realistic recoil, but you're limited to Gen 3 frames unless you get a load of WEs in and switcharoo them.WE Gen4 for Gen4ness, reliability is pretty good, but their Co2 magazines are more expensive and will die faster than the KJW ones. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted March 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Had a feeling KJW might rise up, thanks for the input folks. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Sorry for the stupid question but do guarder frames fit them. I remember reading somewhere they did but can't find where I read it. That would be the ticket IMO the guarder lower frame with the steel innards and kjw co2 mags. It would look great, perform great and be quite simply just great. also life in general is just great. Just great. Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Yeah Guarder frame would fit KJW. But I didn't know KJ have a 17 now. Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 if the budget isn't an issue then possible something like a TM G17 with the Guarder kit below. https://www.rainbow8.com/collections/glock-series/products/guarder-enhanced-full-kits-for-marui-g17-2018-ver Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Guarder frames fit the kjw just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I think most TM-ish system as noted will have more issues with holsters. The slides I think are too wide. Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 it's more like the fillet (radius) of the top corners are not large enough Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Let's not forget that a TM based Glock build (even with a Guarder upgrade kit installed, linked above) still has weaknesses to using Green Gas and/or CO2 out of the box. To prevent that you would need to do Guarder steel internals as well which ups the cost per unit by a lot. KJW and WE on the other hand can handle Green Gas and/or CO2 out of the box, if not indefinitely, at least a lot better than TM internals. Don't flame me Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Plus CO2 is not ideal for Airsoft. All that excess pressure on the nozzle is not good for longevity of the gbb. Just use organic gasses. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Co2 rules!! The kick is far superior to any other type of gas. Plastic nozzles are easy and cheap to replace. Link to post Share on other sites
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