-Ham- Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 yep, my SW1911 has lurvely recoil with green gas. But so does my full metal infinity. but then again it has all the upgrades. But the SCW2 is still out of the box. -ham- Link to post Share on other sites
McMadkat Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I agree with Sid. My G19 has a helluva kick especially as I have lightened the slide a bit now! Enough to put you off your aim easily. My DE HK has a slower more flummmp kick, maybe as hard, but not as fast so it seems to have less kick. The glock is just fun to shoot McM Link to post Share on other sites
GreenBeret Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I think in order to fairly decide which has a harder "kick" is to have a metal slide on both replicas. The metal slide is heavier than the stock (plastic) slide on the desert eagle therefore having more force in the cycle. When i upgraded to a metal slide and frame on my DE i definitely felt a stronger "kick". I can not speak for the G19 though because i have never fired it. Link to post Share on other sites
Gir Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I remember correctly, my old Glock 18c had an issue. It all the sudden out of no where started to kick like a real gun (9mm). I wasn't shooting it, nor do i own any real steel, but the guy who was said it was like his real 9mm Berretta. It has much to do with the recoil rod. I figured out mine was set off differently, and yes, it damaged the gun. So just check yours over and make sure its all in the right place. I feel the M11 gave me the most kick of all guns i've used, maybe the M93R too... Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Holy thread revival! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I would have thought kick/recoil to be subjective, depending on the strength of the firer's wrists, the weight of the gun etc etc. But KWC Co2 DE on FA wins. All the time. Link to post Share on other sites
hkmp5roxs Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 How much kick does the USP Tactical have? Also I heard the Kimber TLE/RL had good kick. (Yes I'm obsessed) Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 A buddy used to use a metal slided KSC G17 for skirmishes (now switched to my latest TM Hi-Capa project, wise choice) for a long time. He found that the gas flow of stock KSC Glock mags would vary wildly from mag to mag. By hand-picking a handful of mags out of a whole bunch, his G17 would push insane, unmentionable fps, though still with quite large fps-variations from shot to shot. The gun would always suck in the cold, though, regardless of mag. In conclusions, it is understandable why KSC/KWA Glock users have such different experiences. The mags are hit and miss. Link to post Share on other sites
W.K.Shuridys Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Here's my non-scientific thoughts on the issue. I've had various gas guns, the current arsenal consisting of a KWC Mini UZI CO2, KSC Glock 17 with G&P metal slide, and a KSC USP Compact. I also used to have a full metal KSC M11. Having collected, carried, and used real guns a lot longer than airsoft, I can say with good certainty that they don't kick, recoil, or flip anywhere CLOSE to that of real firearms, the only possible legitimate comparison being a .22 LR pistol. With a real gun you have two forces to consider that contribute to recoil - the inertia of the projection of the bullet, and the cycling of the slide. Anyone who's fired an NBB knows the former is not a factor in airsoft, which leaves the recoiling slide as the only possible source of recoil energy. Because this force is applied parallel to the bore axis, the recoil force should not give any muzzle rise aside from a barely significant rotational force as the rear of the slide bottoms out, and inertia causes a pivotal rotation at the firer's hand. This is quickly countered as the recoil spring drives the slide forward again and restores balance. This cycle is usually felt as more of a vibration or light push, and the lack of a heavy bullet several grams in weight as opposed to fractions thereof, at the muzzle end contributing its own inertia, negates muzzle rise. The amount of force applied ought to be a function of a combination of the following factors: - the weight of the slide - the length and shape (weight distribution) of the slide - the power of the recoil spring - the weight of the frame - the amount and type of gas cycled through the system I doubt a subject such as this warrants a scientific study, since as others have pointed out the amount of kick felt is entirely subjective. Pistols are typically purchased with aesthetics as the primary motivating factor with the recoil force usually secondary or tertiary; I'd rank accuracy and reliability higher than the felt amount of recoil. Link to post Share on other sites
farry_9262 Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 The most kick from an airsoft pistol would have to be the WEI tech Hi Capa. This is the only gas blowback that has made my hand pivot enough to not be able to fire as soon as possible afterwards. which is wierd because you hardly feel anything when fired. I have also fired a Marui Hi capa and TM D.E. but neither of them created as much movement. Farry Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 TBH the recoil on my P226 on green is not enough to go as far as it say it really makes me shudder but on rapid firing it makes a big difference to my groupings Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I doubt a subject such as this warrants a scientific study, since as others have pointed out the amount of kick felt is entirely subjective. Pistols are typically purchased with aesthetics as the primary motivating factor with the recoil force usually secondary or tertiary; I'd rank accuracy and reliability higher than the felt amount of recoil. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QFT. Which is exactly why I like the TM capa so much - accuracy and reliability. Link to post Share on other sites
ColSanders Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 KWA/KSC glocks probably have the most of my experience. My OLD OLD 18c on one of the mags where I kind of oopsed when I boared out the valves to make a high flow was pretty damn insane. Only thing comparable to it was probably my WA M1911A1... which was just plain sexy... Alex "Col Sanders" Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 >> QFT. Which is exactly why I like the TM capa so much - accuracy and reliability. Just as well as it kicks like a kitten Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
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