stuart1980 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 A while ago when I was working with primary school kids at an after school club and two idiotic kids who were around 14 came into the building and one thought they would try and shoot me point blank from 10 feet. It just so happens this kid was a ###### shot and missed me and hit a parent in the arm instead. I dealt with the parent and the kids unfortunately got away. These two retards could of easily of caught one of the small kids in the eye. The parent decided to call the police and the moronic kids were caught playing with their guns (CHEAP SPRINGER!) near a school shortly afterwards. I am sure these kids knew exactly what they were doing and just didn't care what could of happeneded. How would they of liked it if pointed my CA M15 A4 at them and scared them sh**less. Although tempting and enjoyable I would never lower myself to their level. Who do you think are to blame for this? I realise that there are many responsible kids out their who know how to properly use airsoft guns maybe more so than some adults and it is the actions of a few to***rs that give other kids a bad reputation. 1. The kids themselves? 2. The parents? 3. The ease of getting cheap springers from markets? Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 The kids are to blame. They acted without rationale and possibly endangered the lives of yourself and your charges. They are primarily the ones who give US kids a bad name in airsoft as well as contributing to rising suspicion of airsoft in this post 9-11-01 world. I'd say we have those two kids shot. The parents are to blame too. They couldn't control their kids. The springer companies are to partly blame too - they literally FLOOD the market with all of their $40 pieces of shiat. Springers should be banned - there is no practical use to them in airsoft. We should ban the production of springers altogether and make Cybergun go out of business and make them go and make lingerie for Victorias Secret and select the models or make em do construction work or I dunno you tell me. Link to post Share on other sites
stuart1980 Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 In addition, it may be modern society to blame as well. It does seem we are living in a nanny state where kids are given too many rights who are not willing to accept the responsability that goes with it. These kids know these rights and decent people are often reluctant to take action becuase it ls likely that they will end up in court. It does seem that nowadays kids can alomost get away with anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha-Urban-Bravo Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 if kids carry on shooting people in public do u think police will ban airsoft in the UK? Link to post Share on other sites
aimpoint Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 probely they have tryed to ban everything else so why not our sport Link to post Share on other sites
stuart1980 Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Regreebly I do feel airsoft laws will change and NOT for the benefit of us who know how to use airsoft guns. It is always the case that the stupid actions of the few results in the many sufferning. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I doubt the sport will be banned outright. But there will be a definate crack down on market selling etc. The kids are the ones to blame- at 14 they realise what they are doing Link to post Share on other sites
stuart1980 Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 The selling of airsoft guns should be banned in markets and if sold in shops anyone under 18 should be accompanied by an adult, prefably a parent. Link to post Share on other sites
nuclear_darkness Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I think the best way of tackling this would be to have an airsoft license sortof thing going on. Retailers need specialist licenses to sell them and police will carry out random checks. Also in order for them to be able to sell them the buyer must also have a special carriers license and again the police should be able to carry out random checks on the guns they supposedly own. Anyone else agree. Link to post Share on other sites
joeking27 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 No. Licensing would cause too much of a logistical problem. Plus I object to having to register for something that is totally legal. Currently it is very hard to legally obtain a firearm but there is still plenty of gun crime. New licensing would not solve the problem. The problem is not with retailers but with the market stall holders who aren't going to care about licensing at all. Just creates more paper work for those who aren't doing anything wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
SOCOM Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 It's a combination of all 3 but kids (the irresponsible ones) are the most to blame. Kids just do not think (either do a good number of adults - there needs to be some weeding out but that's another subject). I was a teenager before but I would not play with my bb guns out in public view. Parenting skills have gone downhill in general. Parents just give their kids what they want. Kids do not realize how spoiled they are now. Kids just cry and parents just go along and give them what they want. Parents cannot also discipline their kids without being easily accused of child abuse. These "time outs" I see given to a child are a joke, children/kids/teenagers NEED discipline. Cheap springers will hurt the game the most. They are cheap and any child with an allowance can get them. It's a business and it's about the bottom line for the businesses that sell the cheap springers. Link to post Share on other sites
nickorooster Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Agreed. Yes, it was primarily the kid's fault, although a licensing system might not be too bad a thing. Think about it, all the retailers must keep some kind of records as to how many they sell. However, consumers do not need to have licenses, only a parent with them. That way the cheap springer market (not the imported TM springers etc) is damaged, while the retailers simply need apply for a license. However, at 14 those kids should definitely have had more sense. I don't even see why they had them at school. I know i'd be shot (really) if I had any sort of firearm, real or airsoft, at my school (granted, it's an american school in the UK, but still). As it is I thought they were banned in public anyways? I thought you could be arrested or fined for displaying it in public. I think the law says you must carry it in an in-determinable bag (as in, a violin case or sumthing ) Well, I just hope that the minority of immature kids that are stupid enough to "play" with airsoft guns are such a minority that they aren't noticed by those that make the legislation. I know my little brothers are both perfectly mature enough to realise that they should not go playing around with airsoft guns, thus I let them use my springer sometimes (the can operate the saftey etc). And they are 10 and 14. Well, that was my 2 cents. Take it or leave it. Nick Edit: @ The above post: Yeah, discipline is lacking. People say my parents are really strict (I'd agree) but they know why the do things, and I don't mind if it's for my own good. I won't deny being a bit rebelious every now and again, but that's how we learn right? Link to post Share on other sites
Kralj_Lazar Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Something I would say, that I highly doubt that we'r dealing here, are even springers from some of Airsoft's famouse brands. Why, 'couse for all merchendise categorised as AIRSOFT, you must have 18+ to buy, and concerning what was told here, I think that those are guns both on some open market, where no one will ask you for ID or years, if you look younger... ! We had such problems here in Croatia, where open markets were overflooded with, listen to this; Korean and Chineese COPYES of airsoft guns, which were springers of course... ! So I have my companions, when I was 12-13, we both such guns and playing pling-pling in some abandoned buildings, construction yards, or in the neigbourhood, no-eye protection of course... ! Lucky me, I have both of them today (eyes of course ). So I think that this merchendise, shouldn't be categorised as Airsoft game products, and that is a bit more problem what your state laws where ever do you live, consider a toy understandable for mass import... ! Then, there's a bit problem with uneducated kids, that when some day happends an accident, there will not be going back, ...and that parents will have a pirate-like kid... , -or a cyclop... :-) ! -so they'l smile like this... -so only way to avoid interfiring such acts with such product with Airsoft game should be deeply devided... ! And it's necessery to blame someone for unconsiderable seling, of those product to child, which obviously do not look like a person of 18+ age... ! -so it's on you to search real responsible, ...like gypsis... ! -regards from Cro, by; Kralj Lazar! Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Sorry if this has already been said but I'm a lazy bugger... My idea is to force retailers to aquire a license to sell airsoft guns. It needn't be expensive, or hard to get, but the chances are that most of these cheapy shops would bother to aquire the license, thus cutting down hugely on this sort of thing. If it were illegal to sell airsoft guns in any price range without a license, and the police actually enforced this, it might well help a great deal. --------------------------- I completely disagree with what Agent47 says about springers having no practical use in airsoft - in my opinion that's total and utter bull****. That lovely L96, that you so treasure and cost you £400 - what is it? A springer. The VSR-10...it's a springer. The Tokyo Marui SPAS12, that retails for well over £100? Springer. You can't really say that these sorts of guns have no use in airsoft, yet it's unlikely that so-called 'springer-kiddies' are going to get hold of an L96 and run around in the street with one. Cheap, £5 P.O.S. springers are the problem, and by making it illegal to sell these without a license I believe the problem of these would be pretty much sorted. EDIT: Just noticed that nucleardarkness also said this RE: joeking27's points against that, I don't believe it'd cause that big a problem. Random spot checks wouldn't be too difficult (every shop likely to sell them checked about every 6 months or so), and you'd only need a single police officer to look around all the market stalls on market days to cut down on that too. Link to post Share on other sites
rhino Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 The Tokyo Marui SPAS12, that retails for well over £100? Springer Have to agree there mate. I've had two and they cost me over £300 each and they're on par with an AEG. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 --------------------------- I completely disagree with what Agent47 says about springers having no practical use in airsoft - in my opinion that's total and utter bull****. That lovely L96, that you so treasure and cost you £400 - what is it? A springer. The VSR-10...it's a springer. The Tokyo Marui SPAS12, that retails for well over £100? Springer. You can't really say that these sorts of guns have no use in airsoft, yet it's unlikely that so-called 'springer-kiddies' are going to get hold of an L96 and run around in the street with one. Cheap, £5 P.O.S. springers are the problem, and by making it illegal to sell these without a license I believe the problem of these would be pretty much sorted. That's actually what I meant to say - it's them frikkin springer pistols (and a few springer copies of the Vz 61 Skorpion) that are causing the problems - they're concealable and moronically easy to get. To me, your "spring" rifles like the Type 96 (AWM) and TM VSR-10 and the shotguns aren't really springers to me - springers to are those kind of guns where it's supposed to be semi automatic or full automatic but you have to cock it every time you want to shoot. Those are REAL springers (to me). Yeah...thanks for giving me the full-on heat there. But anyways I agree that those bolt action rifles and shotguns do have a practical use in airsoft...to make the user of any Type 96 be my first target next game if I get sniped by that AWP n00b. Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 AWP...CounterStrike...L96...grrrrrrrr... I was about to apologise for giving you the 'full-on heat', but then I saw that you were a CS-kiddy... Link to post Share on other sites
Banzai Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 The kids are to blame. They acted without rationale and possibly endangered the lives of yourself and your charges. They are primarily the ones who give US kids a bad name in airsoft as well as contributing to rising suspicion of airsoft in this post 9-11-01 world. I'd say we have those two kids shot. The parents are to blame too. They couldn't control their kids. The springer companies are to partly blame too - they literally FLOOD the market with all of their $40 pieces of shiat. Springers should be banned - there is no practical use to them in airsoft. We should ban the production of springers altogether and make Cybergun go out of business and make them go and make lingerie for Victorias Secret and select the models or make em do construction work or I dunno you tell me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I disagree with nearly every word you said. Firstly, most springers over here over the puddle you can get a springer between 5-30 USD, 40 for tokyo maruis and the like. Second, springers are quite good depending on the brand, plus they are failry silent, sometime in nightmissions i will put away my AEG and use my springer shotgun which is virtually silent. You obviously have little idea what you are talking about. As far as the lingerie...... Link to post Share on other sites
Corporate_Black_Ops Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 When it's cold and your gas pistols have a range of three feet if you're lucky springer pistols have a use. As to "Springer kids" they perhaps need to be made aware that the law states that it the victim/public believe that the item is a firearm then it will be treated as if it were. Perhaps by ensuring that the armed response unit are the ones who "catch" them. Link to post Share on other sites
Spike Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 A radical viewpoint I hold is, when boiled down, shoot on sight if the person is stupid enough to look threatening while holding a toy gun, they get what they deserve. I know there are mistaken identity cases, but I'm having difficulty thinking of a scenario where you could possibly be displaying an airsoft (or indeed ANY gun like object) in public and not be trying to be threatening. With the excpetion of open-air plays and they are pretty thin on the ground from what I can tell though. If anyone can think of a way to say "shoot on sight" without breaking forum rules then tell me and I'll edit it. Edit: Spelling. Link to post Share on other sites
Cabe Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 "Use all nessesary force if threatened" Link to post Share on other sites
BadAssTronaut Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Kappa Slapper: "OMFG I gow a gun lyke innit, gunna shoot u lyke bruv!!1" SO19 Officer: "Bang, bang, you die sucka!!1" Link to post Share on other sites
Brick Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 License the shops to sell airsoft guns, close SMK down (as they are the main importer of the cheap ###### springers) and a minimum age to sell of 18 for airsoft gear. The revenue from the licenses could pay for enforcement (as would the fines) no more SMK means no more cheap ###### springers so the only springers would be the half decent ones that AA and so on would import. As to who is to blame that comes down to society as much as the springer sh1ts and their parents. Guns are seen as a FASHION accessory, this comes from Yardie culture and tv/films glamorizing violence. We can't do anything about the tv or films but the Yardie culture can be (and is) fought by the police. If you were watching BBC news 24 recently you would have spotted that 70% of gun crime in Manchester is committed with replica guns and Manchester police are considering an out right ban on replica's. This has been mentioned before and is considered to be unworkable, also in my opinion it is unnecessary as the ASBA already gives the police the powers to deal with the problem. SO19 officer after shooting 12 year old (or any other age) finds out that it was a springer would need counselling for a long time to come to terms with it, killing someone with a real gun is easier to deal with. Saying that I do believe that anyone pointing a gun shaped object at a police officer deserves everything they get. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Kappa Slapper: "OMFG I gow a gun lyke innit, gunna shoot u lyke bruv!!1" SO19 Officer: "Bang, bang, you die sucka!!1" "kappa Slapper"- classic --------------------------------------------- A radical viewpoint I hold is, when boiled down, shoot on sight if the person is stupid enough to look threatening while holding a toy gun, they get what they deserve. I know there are mistaken identity cases, but I'm having difficulty thinking of a scenario where you could possibly be displaying an airsoft (or indeed ANY gun like object) in public and not be trying to be threatening. With the excpetion of open-air plays and they are pretty thin on the ground from what I can tell though. If anyone can think of a way to say "shoot on sight" without breaking forum rules then tell me and I'll edit it. Edit: Spelling. And you think that wil give our sport a good name? It will get it banned if that were the case. Imagine the public outcry when 3 kids are gunned down dead- later it was found they were carrying "spring" airsoft guns. Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 a minimum age to sell of 18 for airsoft gear<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with this, although I believe AA's angle is the correct one to take - I'm under 18, but I'm not a 'springer kiddy', and AA allow under-18's to buy stuff if accompanied by a responsible adult. Make sure it's not a MINIMUM USAGE AGE OF 18, though... Link to post Share on other sites
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