Tef Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 does anyone use them? i saw them on other forum, and fail to see if theres a link/pattern/simialrity to those ''uniforms''. tho, they look pretty cool Link to post Share on other sites
solution_zero Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Blackwater makes gear. They were also "Mercanaries" if I'm not mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites
BadAssTronaut Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yup, gear manufacturer. Not sure about the merc thing, but I have an inkling you are right zero, I'm sure I read it somewhere, but I dont remember where ATM. IIRC they are going to be making products in Multicam soon too (Not the rip off Multicam either, propper CRYE stuff) Theres a section on CRYE's official Multicam page with some info on Blackwater there. Link to post Share on other sites
doc_newstead Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA http://www.blackwaterusa.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 They reside in Myock, about a 2-hour drive from my house, and they're mercenaries, in case you didn't read the links posted. By the accounts I've heard their tactical gear is ######, so I dunno if it's designed to be worn by their operators or if it's for mass consumption. Link to post Share on other sites
Bert Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Blackwater makes gear. They were also "Mercanaries" if I'm not mistaken. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *Private contractors. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Same difference. The only dissimilarity between the two is the connotation. Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Blackwater is a Private Security Contractor (PSC). In fact they are one of the largest PSCs in the market. I believe they also have the largest of the PSC contracts for Iraq. As for Blackwater making gear, that is a little incorrect. Blackwater recently announced that they were going to work with Uncle Mike's (Michael's of Oregon) to develop a line of tactical equipment. So far, very little of the gear has been seen or tested by objective individuals. In the context of this photo, however, Blackwater gear is used to refer to the generic look of a PSC. Around here, the PSC look is pretty much as follows: 5.11 Khaki Pants Black Polo Baseball Cap What ever 2nd line gear you want to strap on I hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Been reading good *beep* about the Blackwater I-O line of gear including the Carbine rack. Link to post Share on other sites
The Quarter-master Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 blackwater gear is far and above alot of kit. and "mercs" is just not right private security contractor if you would Link to post Share on other sites
tangman Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 my brother has a blackwater cap Link to post Share on other sites
Zhang Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 ARMS SIR is also essential for completing the blackwater look. They really love them. Link to post Share on other sites
Justhandguns Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I've also got this Blackwater hat. Those in the photo are in fact a wargame function (more like a costume play event) in Hong Kong which people wear SF or Blackwater employees gears for some photo shots. I was also being invited, but I left for London before the event. Most of these people use Eagle or Paraclete gears, plus 5.11 clothings or jeans. I am not aware that Blackwater also makes tactical gears as well, but I know they have a series of merhandise things for sale. Link to post Share on other sites
ENGLISHFELLOW Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 *Private contractors. Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> like theres a difference. Mercenary, contractor same thing different name. Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Rider Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Fundamental differance - Mercs will do anything for money. Including put babies on spikes. A contractor should have a moral code and Rules of Engagement. Link to post Share on other sites
RobbyC Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 A mercenary by definition is someone who is hired or hires themselves out for service to a foreign army a private contractor may well cover mercenaries but it might also cover hiring people out to private corporations and therefore they wouldn't be mercenaries. Fundamental differance - Mercs will do anything for money. Including put babies on spikes. some mercenaries might do that but then some soldiers might do that aswell if they were so inclined and their parent army condoned or ignored the action so if blackwater company hires people out to armies for service then those employees are mercenaries but i don't know anything about the company so whether they do or not i don't know anyway i was bored so i thought i'd clear this up Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Rider Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Calling a contractor a merc; It's considered an insult. A mercenary and a PMC both fight for a wage, but a mercenary, traditionally, doesn't care who is paying it, and why. You could argue semantics about the difference between the two, but to a contactor, being called a mercenary implies a lack of moral or ideological consideration. Link to post Share on other sites
RobbyC Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Fair point and i already understood that point but i just thought i'd point out the dictionary definition 'cause i'm bored! oh and last point just because it's fun but the Swiss Guard are mercenaries... not private contractors well they obviously are private contractors but they fit the name mercenaries better Link to post Share on other sites
marines Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 merrell boots or shoes on atleast 2 guys Link to post Share on other sites
Gene Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 Alright here it is from wikipedia: Mercenary - A mercenary is a soldier who fights, or engages in warfare exclusively for money, without any regard for ideological, national or political considerations. When the term is used to refer to a soldier in a regular national army, it is usually considered an insult, epithet or pejorative. PMC - Private military contractors or private military companies (PMCs) are companies that provide logistics, manpower, and other expenditures for a military force. Contractors are civilians authorized to accompany a force in the field and, generally, cannot be the intentional object of military attack (1949 Geneva Conventions). Contractors cannot be engaged in direct support of military operations (otherwise, they may be targeted). Link to post Share on other sites
Tef Posted August 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 heres my first attempt, haveing got any knee pads at the mom Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Double post Sorry. Don't know what happened their. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Just because you ain't got knee pads doesn't mean you should use your pistol as one! Get a proper belt and position the holster to sit mid thigh, just above where your hand falls. This will enable you to draw your weapon (fnarr fnarr) with a simple upward movent of your hand, no croughing neccesary. Good look with your kit purchase mate, it'll probaly get expensive! Link to post Share on other sites
unimatrix001 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 @ Tef: Replace the Cantilever Mount by a L-Shape or ARMS Replica Mount and add a Surefire M900 Replica Link to post Share on other sites
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