dcentity2000 Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 My L86 had a hiccup on its first skirmish - stopped firing for unknown reasons. The gubbns ran but nothing came out, no matter what mag we put in. Luckily it decided to behave a bit later. Still, I'm less than impressed. Rich:: Link to post Share on other sites
Perch Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well I ordred my L85 at WGC and I have over 3000 BBs through so far. No problems at all! I cannot understand people who aren't impressed of it. The other Swiss guy I know who also owned a L85 has also had no troubles with his 85 so far, just the hop-up buggered but I think he figured out to fix it. To the FPS, I don't know how high they are exactly but the Standart-Spring installed is slightly stronger than a Systema M120 O.T. wire. I just did a comparison which was very easy due to the quick springchange system. To the Gearbox, if you use a spring performing 330FPS then in my oppinion you cannot break this gearbox. Even with the standart-spring this gearbox will last as long as a usual metal gearbox or even longer. sometimes plastic takes such stress even better than metal! Accuracy is also very good with the standart barrel. I was able to hit a icicle of 10cm and a little thicker than my thumb at 10m 2 of 3 times Link to post Share on other sites
burnsey Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Mine started to struggle after about 500 rounds, packed in completely after 750. It now has a Marui motor, same as a fair few other people. I've also changed the hop rubber as the stock part seemed pretty ineffective unless turned full-on. It's difficult to tell how many fail as a percentage of how many are sold...when I spoke to Z-1 at the time they said they'd sold about 100 and had 3 returned, but other retailers are a lot more disparaging. I've seen a lot of posts over on UKAN from people with dead L85's, but then again people rarely post to say their gun works perfectly (I can think of one of two exceptions ). All in all, I'd warn anyone thinking of buying one that the chances of 'teething problems' seems to be greater than A.N. Other AEG, so buy from someone with a decent warranty and a reasonable mindset; you don't want to have to resort to quoting consumer law to people if they refuse to repair a dead gun after a fortnight. Going by my own personal experience, I can't recommend Z-1 highly enough in this respect. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well I ordred my L85 at WGC and I have over 3000 BBs through so far. No problems at all! I cannot understand people who aren't impressed of it. The other Swiss guy I know who also owned a L85 has also had no troubles with his 85 so far, just the hop-up buggered but I think he figured out to fix it. To the FPS, I don't know how high they are exactly but the Standart-Spring installed is slightly stronger than a Systema M120 O.T. wire. I just did a comparison which was very easy due to the quick springchange system. To the Gearbox, if you use a spring performing 330FPS then in my oppinion you cannot break this gearbox. Even with the standart-spring this gearbox will last as long as a usual metal gearbox or even longer. sometimes plastic takes such stress even better than metal! Accuracy is also very good with the standart barrel. I was able to hit a icicle of 10cm and a little thicker than my thumb at 10m 2 of 3 times <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, for the price, I'd expect the gun to fix me when I'm not working. I reckon that's why people are irate. Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well, for the price, I'd expect the gun to fix me when I'm not working. I reckon that's why people are irate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Until other manufacturers make any of the SA80 series, STAR has the market sown up without mercy. Until then, high prices or not, us SA80 fans havent got much choice. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well, for the price, I'd expect the gun to fix me when I'm not working. I reckon that's why people are irate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> except a lot of folks were irate at the price before the gun even went out the door for any issues with lemons to surface. In many cases the lemons just give them reason to remain irate compared with a guarder AK kit its not too badly priced and at least gives you a gearbox and set of internals of sorts to try it out with before reaching for a motor hop unit or piston etc Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 except a lot of folks were irate at the price before the gun even went out the door for any issues with lemons to surface. In many cases the lemons just give them reason to remain irate<{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem with any new gun coming to market, is that you always buy it without knowing its faults. Of course you can have some idea from its past products but normally we all buy in the hopes its gonna be the best thing since sliced bread. With STAR's SA80 series, its no different. I had my resevations, but at teh same time it was over powered by my desire to own a steel replica SA80. Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Until other manufacturers make any of the SA80 series, STAR has the market sown up without mercy. Until then, high prices or not, us SA80 fans havent got much choice. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> erm.. does the word academy ring a bell? Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 erm.. does the word academy ring a bell? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not steel......and SUSAT and build quality is poo...plus its hard now to get hold of the Academy SA80. I've checked several sites, all of which have 0 Stock. Link to post Share on other sites
Staceh Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 20+ k rounds through mine and its rocking on lovely, in fact I'd say its just about worn in. I cannot praise this rifle enough, its easily the best I've owned or used. Link to post Share on other sites
burnsey Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 The problem with any new gun coming to market, is that you always buy it without knowing its faults. Of course you can have some idea from its past products but normally we all buy in the hopes its gonna be the best thing since sliced bread. With STAR's SA80 series, its no different. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Totally agree - almost every AEG seems to have a ruputation for being prone to one fault or another, some desevedly and some not. What separates one manufacturer from another is how they deal with the problems once they surface. G&G turned out some shockers but were really proactive in sorting out design faults. Star don't seem to give a hoot... Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Star don't seem to give a hoot... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So it seems! Which is why in the case of STAR's SA80's, it has been more sensible to buy it locally than import it from teh Far East. I suggest anyone in the UK thinking of purchasing one, to buy from Zero1 or a reputable Airsoft dealer. Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf Raptor Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 People say that they have replaced the motor with a TM version, but what motor is it exactly? EG1000 short or EG1000 long? Cheers, dave Link to post Share on other sites
HKG36 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Its a EG1000 short. Link to post Share on other sites
schneiderboy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Well I ordred my L85 at WGC and I have over 3000 BBs through so far. No problems at all! I cannot understand people who aren't impressed of it. The other Swiss guy I know who also owned a L85 has also had no troubles with his 85 so far, just the hop-up buggered but I think he figured out to fix it. To the FPS, I don't know how high they are exactly but the Standart-Spring installed is slightly stronger than a Systema M120 O.T. wire. I just did a comparison which was very easy due to the quick springchange system. To the Gearbox, if you use a spring performing 330FPS then in my oppinion you cannot break this gearbox. Even with the standart-spring this gearbox will last as long as a usual metal gearbox or even longer. sometimes plastic takes such stress even better than metal! Accuracy is also very good with the standart barrel. I was able to hit a icicle of 10cm and a little thicker than my thumb at 10m 2 of 3 times The other Swiss guy is me. Do the patriotic way and buy an sa80, it's a great rifle. Link to post Share on other sites
Duff Beer Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Mines had about 20,000 rounds through it (skirmished at least once a week every week since the 9th of Jan) in the bitter cold and the soaking wet and it is fne. Once everything had been tightened then it was perfectly awesome. I'm juts waiting for a SUSAT RDS to appear..... Link to post Share on other sites
SafetyCatch Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I did have a little bit of a problem with mine at a game in Texas a few weeks back. My rifle was only firing at 160 fps by the end of the day, but I think it was my battery dying rather than the rifle itself, at least I hope it was. Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygunn Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Your battery has nothing to do with your fps! Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I did have a little bit of a problem with mine at a game in Texas a few weeks back. My rifle was only firing at 160 fps by the end of the day, but I think it was my battery dying rather than the rifle itself, at least I hope it was. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, indeed it doesn't. If the battery is low it may lack the power to crank the spring all the way back and thus let a shot off, but in that case it just won't fire. The power of the shot is generated by the piston flying forward under power of the spring, and all the battery does it crank it backwards BEFORE it's released. I'm not sure what your problem is, sorry, but it's definately not your battery. Link to post Share on other sites
SafetyCatch Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well then I guess my gearbox is wasted. I was planning on getting some upgrades done anyway. Can anyone recommend a reliable gearbox and spring system? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Can anyone recommend a reliable gearbox and spring system? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Erm, i do believe youll be stuck with buying a replacement gearbox of the same type Link to post Share on other sites
SafetyCatch Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I've heard of some people getting TM gearboxes fitted am I not correct? If you guys know what the best gearbox or motors I could get put in my L85 I'd really appreciate it, that way I can get Wolf Amouries on the phone and get it sorted. Basicly I want my L85 to be as good and reliable as it possibly could, not worried about costs. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I've heard of some people getting TM gearboxes fitted am I not correct? Yup, a TM EG1000 short. Link to post Share on other sites
SafetyCatch Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Would you say these are better or more reliable than the STAR gearbox? Is it a metal gearbox do you know? Anyway, let me know if there are any upgrades I can get done besides the TM EG1000 so I can contact Wolf about it. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Would you say these are better or more reliable than the STAR gearbox? Is it a metal gearbox do you know? I havent upgraded mine yet, teh reason why it maybe be prudent is if your SA80 L85 is playing up. If the gun is working 100% then leave it alone until IF it starts to go doolally. You may also think about upgrading the gearbox if your considering the NEW Blow Back Kit. Thats when I may upgrade mine when it needs to be opened up to fit the kit. Link to post Share on other sites
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