squarepusher Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 i also never said i didn't care. if you notice, i have all the sympathy in the world for a guy who dies and didn't bring it on himself. if he brougth it on himself, he has nobody else to blame BUT himself. and look, i'm sorry Caz, but im blunt as *fruitcage* when it comes to making a serious point, and thats how it is. at best, the guy ran around making loads of kiddies happy and helping boom the US entertainment economy. on the other hand running about in lycra, pretending to hurt people doesn't count as much in my book as being gassed because you had the wrong colour hair, or where in the wrong place at the wrong time. again, if he didn't kill himself, all sympathies - if he did kill himself, all he has done is hurt his own family. blunt i know, but meh... edit - and thats it, ive had enough of this thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wouldn't comment on someone's death when you know absolutely nothing about the circumstances, especailly not with implicit negativity. Not saying I know anything about him, or was gonna post in here beforehand.. but. Seriously, if it's someone who's entertained you, someone you enjoyed watching on TV etc, if their death saddens you then you might feel you want to mention it. It's not a crime to not mention the 10,0000,0,0,0,000 other people who ever *fruitcage* died because that'd be anally retentive and pointless. If HaVoC died, and you'd all given him 5000 respect points for his threadbomb and loved him dearly, a world war is not a decent excuse to mourn his passing. What you and HaVoC do to these threads, same with the BHD one, is disrespectful, tactless and totally unnecessary. You don't have the authority to decide who mourns who, so we're all glad you've had enough of his thread. It's had enough of you. Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 ok, since i have been asked a serious question, i will answer. as with all threads that come up when somebodies favourite celeb dies, be it a sportsman, TV star or porn star, i always think to myself, "oh, another one of those threads". you're right, i wouldn't have posted if nobody else did, but thats a decision i take with all the similar therads, simply because as far as i know, i could be the only one who thinks it, and im not one for causing un-needed hostility about something im not even particuarly interested in. but when somebody else makes a point i agree with, i will back them up if they get slagged or moaned at for their opinion. i pay for my interent, and until somebody else pays for it, i will type my own opinion. again, once more, i will make my point that i do have sympathy for the dude, if he deserves it. and SP - i dont think i have ever posted in a BHD thread Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Good sweet jesus! I post information that a sportsman who entertained many people, of all ages and backgrounds has died, and it becomes a debate on who deserves to be remembered/mourned more? That is quite frankly pathetic. Yes, there have been millions upon millions killed in conflict since man first bashed another over the head with a random impliment. Where is the relevance? I was not suggesting that he be mourned over and above anyone else, simply that he had passed away. Some may not have been aware of that fact, so I posted the information in the 'Off Topic' section. Considering the number of threads started in this part of the forums which border in the brain dead, I wouldn't have thought it was that much of an issue. Havoc, I find your initial post both disrepectful to the family of Mr Guerrero, and the millions of people who did indeed die in war. It was a ridiculous comparison, and from your other posts I would have expected a higher level of maturity from yourself. Obviously not. For those who were so quick to assume he died using drugs... *fruitcage* me you lot are quick to judge aren't you? As has been said, he was clean. Those that were entertained by Eddie will mourn his death. Those who haven't a clue who he is, will not. It's of no importance to me either way. This thread was simply to allow those who enjoy WWE to share some memories of "Latino Heat" and remember a sportsman cut off in his prime. My thoughts go to his familly, and friends who have no doubt lost someone very precious to them. Quite frankly I am disgusted at some of the attitudes displayed here... And they call this a sport based on honour? Link to post Share on other sites
cpaxton Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Havoc and S_W, would you be perfectly happy for people to mock you if you overdosed on drugs by accident? And we don't even know if this guy died from drugs. Link to post Share on other sites
squarepusher Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 again, once more, i will make my point that i do have sympathy for the dude, if he deserves it. Say I did a load of drugs and overdosed, killing myself and causing my family and friends to grieve, would it be the right thing to refrain from mourning my death because of a drug habit and completely ignoring all the good things I might have done in my lifespan? Anyone I made smile? People I loved or had a relationship with? Whilst stupid, it might not be so insurmountably evil that I don't deserve to be remembered :S ? and SP - i dont think i have ever posted in a BHD thread <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, you probably didn't Not even sure HaVoC did, but I have my suspicions. It was a ridiculous comparison <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It sure was. HaVoC, you post a rememberence day thread. Do you expect me to put a post listing everyone who died before the start of the First World War? Or maybe do you think that's retarded. It was a ridiculous comparison, and from your other posts I would have expected a higher level of maturity from yourself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nah, trust. Definitely not. Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 What's that I smell? Ah, that's it. Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 The rumour is he died of heart failure. That hasn't been confirmed though obviously. Link to post Share on other sites
Diemaco Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Jus gotta say RIP, 38 year old. Way too young, even for a drug/steroid abuser Link to post Share on other sites
TMC Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Jus gotta say RIP, 38 year old. Way too young, even for a drug/steroid abuser <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why does everyone say this? Jesus, this sort of mentality just ###### me off. On a forum I used to own, I posted a thread about the shuttle that went down recently... some dickcheese was like "A busload of people in mexico died the other day and yet you talk about these OH so poor astronauts!" Logic prevails, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I'm convinced. I'm quitting school to go down my local cemetry to dazzle the mourners with this new found knowledge. Wish me luck! Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Havoc and S_W, would you be perfectly happy for people to mock you if you overdosed on drugs by accident? And we don't even know if this guy died from drugs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. Because, first, drugs are illegal. They're for stupid people (well, the illegal ones, not prescribed or medical drugs). Being a celebrity does not give you a right to use drugs. Overdosing on drugs is dumb. Oh, and did I say only morons use drugs? Link to post Share on other sites
selfexiled Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I hope my death recieves even half this much debate. Link to post Share on other sites
cpaxton Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Yes. Because, first, drugs are illegal. They're for stupid people (well, the illegal ones, not prescribed or medical drugs). Being a celebrity does not give you a right to use drugs. Overdosing on drugs is dumb. Oh, and did I say only morons use drugs? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't remember asking you the question. So if you make a mistake and die after taking drugs I will be sure to do a little dance. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I intend to do a dance when this thread dies. One of the things I like about this forum, is if you post anything here, someone will always present an alternative view. I hope we're not going to start flaming that trend out of existance. Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Why is everyone going on about drugs? His death WAS NOT DRUG RELATED. Everyone clear on that now? Drugs have been a huge issue in WWE for many years, ever since Hulk Hogan stood up in court and admitted that 'some' wrestlers used steroids. That was over 10 years ago. They are not used, all wrestlers in the WWE are tested. Any found positive are thrown out. End of. The point is moot. Drugs were not the cause of death. *fruitcage* it, I give up. Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Im rather on the fence on this one.. very few people get mourned by anyone more than their family and friends. However when the same people get mourned by millions year after year for one very valiant act.. they obviously deserve it. The fact remains however that if this man had not been on TV no one here who give two *suitcases* about him will i mourn him? No does he still deserve as much repect as the men and women who died in WW1 and 2? No does he deserve respect? Yes Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Im rather on the fence on this one.. very few people get mourned by anyone more than their family and friends. However when the same people get mourned by millions year after year for one very valiant act.. they obviously deserve it. The fact remains however that if this man had not been on TV no one here who give two *suitcases* about him will i mourn him? No does he still deserve as much repect as the men and women who died in WW1 and 2? No does he deserve respect? Yes <{POST_SNAPBACK}> +1 Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Im rather on the fence on this one.. very few people get mourned by anyone more than their family and friends. However when the same people get mourned by millions year after year for one very valiant act.. they obviously deserve it. The fact remains however that if this man had not been on TV no one here who give two *suitcases* about him will i mourn him? No does he still deserve as much repect as the men and women who died in WW1 and 2? No does he deserve respect? Yes <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Word. Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Im rather on the fence on this one.. very few people get mourned by anyone more than their family and friends. However when the same people get mourned by millions year after year for one very valiant act.. they obviously deserve it. The fact remains however that if this man had not been on TV no one here who give two *suitcases* about him will i mourn him? No does he still deserve as much repect as the men and women who died in WW1 and 2? No does he deserve respect? Yes <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I couldn't agree more. As I have stated, this thread wasn't about making a hero out of anyone. It was simply to let people who enjoy WWE, to show their respect for one of it's entertainers who died yesterday. If he hadn't been a celebrity, of course nobody would have heard of him. I am in no doubt that there are many more people out there, that have done more to further the cause of humanity who's deaths pass without comment. Not really the point though is it? Although Havoc, for you to agree that he deserves respect considering your earlier posts is hypocritical in the extreme. I simply don't understand why so many people were willing to assume this guy was a steroid junkie, and died of a drug overdose when nothing of that sort was mentioned. It just seems to me that people are far too quick to judge. Whilst I welcome reasoned debate, just jumping in and slagging off a guy who's just died is out of order, especially if it isn't justified. Unfortunately - as is often the case - the subject of the thread has been distorted into a debate about an entirely different subject. But hey, that's forums. No, he didn't change the world. Did he entertain millions of people every week? Yes. If I can say the same at the end of my life, I'll be reasonably content. Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Although Havoc, for you to agree that he deserves respect considering your earlier posts is hypocritical in the extreme. Ok, let's just straighten this out now. Read all of my posts in this thread. See? Not once have I even mentioned the word 'respect', or any notion of it. Therefore, get the ridiculous idea that I have 'no respect' for deceased other than war-dead out of your thick skull. Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Not being a follower of wrestling, I can't comment on the gentleman's lifestyle. I can and do, however, extend my sympathy to his family, having lost my own father a couple of years ago. All I will add is that no person truly dies while somebody lives who remembers them. Link to post Share on other sites
DrewLawson Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Im rather on the fence on this one.. very few people get mourned by anyone more than their family and friends. However when the same people get mourned by millions year after year for one very valiant act.. they obviously deserve it. The fact remains however that if this man had not been on TV no one here who give two *suitcases* about him will i mourn him? No does he still deserve as much repect as the men and women who died in WW1 and 2? No does he deserve respect? Yes <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Best comment so far. Period. and that is where I stand Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Good for you Drew, glad you contributed. Wasn't really much of a fan of wrestling myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I would take issue with him deserving respect. As none of us knew the man, I don't see how any of us can make that decision. Link to post Share on other sites
DrewLawson Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Good for you Drew, glad you contributed. Wasn't really much of a fan of wrestling myself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And that was so much better than what I posted. Link to post Share on other sites
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