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This.

 

I think ALL prison should be like this. You're not sent to prison to have a good time, because you're a great person or anything like that. You're sent there because you're a criminal and need to be 1) locked away for the protection of society and/or 2) to be punished for your crimes.

 

So, basically, prison should be hard graft from dawn until dusk with food and medicine and nothing else.

So not paying your tv licence , council tax would get you treated like this . ? Unfortuantly our prisons are clogged up with people who shouldn't even be in them ,

I actualy went to a dc when I was 15 and from first hand experience I think it should be reinstated for gang crime. , knife crime , gun crime etc as a much more severe punishment for this sort of criminal activity .

Dc was totally built around discipline , manners and punishment . The regime used to be up at 6am with a two mile run, breakfast , kit judging bed making ( with punishment if not to standard ) then off to the field for half a days digging . Lunch , then corridor scrubbing to spotless standards with a toothbrush and cloth , gym for an hour with medicine balls / benches , tea , and half an hour of tv or occasionaly a film if you had reached your targets for the day . If you could stay awake ! This was 6 days a week for the duration of your stay . Fighting was dealt with by giving you gloves and putting both of the perpetrators in a boxing ring with gloves , No smoking allowed at all , no visits unless earned and even then only direct family or spouses , the regime was hard , with failing to call a guard sir if he passed you earning you a beasting or more time on your sentence . Trust me , no one wanted to return !

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See as much as I would like to live in a tough on criminals country I have a feeling that it would still never work.

 

Some people are just immune to it all and some just can't function without it. They can spend each day of their lives being forced to do manual labour, being force fed some regime about making them a better person but they just know that they will ride it out and enjoy it. When they are free they don't understand the real world and how it can actually be good to them so then they want back in that other world or they resort to being the person they always were. It all sounds a bit Clockwork Orange but that is sadly how it is.

 

For me I would say total removal from society is the better option. Just take all those that are rapists, murderers and repeat offenders, dump them on a fenced off island and let them work it out. Drop them some food now and then and see what happens. Need to raise funds for it, then just allow other countries to send people that they don't want to it for a price. At the end of it all these people have clearly made a decision to cause harm to society so why should they be allowed in it. For those that are small time offenders like grafitti and illegal downloads of films just put them in a prison like Porridge with nothing but a 70s B&W TV for entertainment and thre basic meals. They will soon learn when they are bored as sin and want back into the real world.

 

Tl;dr those that are truly destructive scum should be taken out of the country altogether, those that can reform should be deterred or given the same ultimatum as the rapists, career criminals and murderers.

 

'FireKnife'

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 dump them on a fenced off island and let them work it out. Drop them some food now and then and see what happens....

 

Australia happens.

 

 

For those that are small time offenders like grafitti and illegal downloads of films just put them in a prison like Porridge with nothing but a 70s B&W TV for entertainment and thre basic meals. They will soon learn when they are bored as sin and want back into the real world.

If you think you should be sent to prison for illegal downloads.  You have a screw loose and have clearly been brainwashed by the big media companies so are part of the problem.  Plus I've seen you post about downloading films and emulators e.t.c..

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Just take all those that are rapists, murderers and repeat offenders, dump them on a fenced off island and let them work it out.

Didn't we try that a few years ago?

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I think we should have a 2 tier system where those who show genuine remorse, behave while inside and wish to reform are given privileges such as limited access to heating or TVs and vocational courses to help break the cycle of reoffending. However repeat offenders and those who don't follow prison rules etc loose all privileges and end up in a system that would make a Saudi prison look like Butlins

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It was meant as a general comment as illegal download does have a jail time penalty and not just a fine. However I know for one that it is highly unlikely that any individual user would be arrested for it. Either way thanks for that plus emulation isn't illegal depending on the age of the game and if you own the original copy, films fair enough. :P

 

But then would the second tier be near the first? I would say that those that are in for lets say basic fraud or damage to property should be sent to the prison system we have but given a hard time so they can see what happens if they don't behave. However the island idea is just for those that need to be shown a lesson.

 

As for Australia well that is more than just a prison that turned into a country but still I don't think nowadays it would work out the same. The worst criminals of today would just resort to a kind of Battle Royale scenario is my thinking.

 

EDIT: Quoting messed up so removed them.

 

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It was meant as a general comment as illegal download does have a jail time penalty and not just a fine. However I know for one that it is highly unlikely that any individual user would be arrested for it. Either way thanks for the pointless slander ;).

For a general comment, it was very specific. And you apparently don't know what slander means.

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For a general comment, it was very specific. And you apparently don't know what slander means.

 

That is why I removed it in the edit, wrong word for the situation. However you quoted my pre-edit :P.

 

Also it is based on the fact that I had to do some studying regarding it for work and the fact that it is looking to have even higher penalties applied to illegal downloads, not so much my opinion, more that if tried it would result in the same jail time as say drug possesion etc.

 

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Also it is based on the fact that I had to do some studying regarding it for work and the fact that it is looking to have even higher penalties applied to illegal downloads, not so much my opinion, more that if tried it would result in the same jail time as say drug possesion etc.

 

My point is that these big media companies are too stupid to adopt a clearly highly profitable digital distribution system.  Looks at the availability of some stuff on Torrents and other networks.  You can get some films in full HD months before they're even out in cinemas over here.  Just look at the success of Steam.  They make a killing. But no. Film companies are clinging onto poor, outdated business model that won't adapt and pushes people into the waiting arms of pirating.  Joining up with our pathetic governments that are champing at the bit to lick their bumholes whilst they continue to attempt to censor our Internet.

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My point is that these big media companies are too stupid to adopt a clearly highly profitable digital distribution system.  Looks at the availability of some stuff on Torrents and other networks.  You can get some films in full HD months before they're even out in cinemas over here.  Just look at the success of Steam.  They make a killing. But no. Film companies are clinging onto poor, outdated business model that won't adapt and pushes people into the waiting arms of pirating.  Joining up with our pathetic governments that are champing at the bit to lick their bumholes whilst they continue to attempt to censor our Internet.

 

To be honest a similar arguement could be made for legalising low end drugs. But as with many things no-one sees the potential benefit as they are happy with the system as it stands, even if it is idiotic and outdated.

 

I for one would prefer to see a system where you can get lets say any film, digital download for 50p / £1 if it is not a new release and say £2-3 if it is. Also 25-50p a TV show, so much for a series etc and you get to keep it when you have bought it. Simple as that. The companies are paying just for the space to put the download (which like all things if done in bulk is dirt cheap) and they can still make a lot off of it. I know not everyone has access to high speed internet but as a sideline to failing DVD sales it would work. The big reason I don't buy DVDs is I know that they are not worth it, I have sat here and rolled off 800 DVDs for work and it cost us (including the cost of the tower burner) 76p a DVD with a basic cheap case. Now do that in a larger bulk and it would cost even less (making the burner cost all of say 1p per DVD made) so why must I pay £10 for a new release? To hold up the failing film market of the likes of Hollywood?

 

Like many other things that are about our entertainment (yes light drugs and prostitutes included) leaglise it and regulate it. Offer it at a cheap market competitive priceand it will be a lot easier, get rid of our worlds ancient prejudices.

 

My Australia comment was meant to be tongue in cheek

 

I gathered it was :P.

 

'FireKnife'

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Hmm, I seem to be in agreement with you FK for a change.  Only this morning I was thinking how making guns, drugs and prostitution legal to some extent and regulated would significantly boost the economy.  Something we can't afford to pass up right now.

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It is an odd moment when one agrees with me but then that is why I exist, if not life would be boring :P.

 

But either way it is true, to legalise something as often used and open to abuse as prostitution and drugs would help.

 

'FireKnife'

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Drugs to an extent depending on type, prostitution if it was run entirely by a government body (the scope for abuse otherwise is just too much), guns I really don't see a need to legalise, nor do I see any great tax benefit from doing so considering the costs of monitoring guns would also rise.

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But look how much the shooting industry is worth in the US.  Take into account the reduced population size and you'll still end up with a significant amount I reckon.  It's bound to generate more than increased costs of policing.  I'm not talking about carry e.t.c just clubs where you can shoot like the old days.

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There just isn't a gun culture here though, there wasn't even before the bans. Nothing like the US anyway. The vast majority of British people do not want to own guns and very few are particularly interested in shooting them, not as anything more than a novelty at least.

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I appreciate that but we have around 1.8M legally held guns in the UK.  I'd say that was a healthy market.  I'm sure people already holding guns would buy more if they got the opportunity.  And people turned off by limited options right now would be way more interested.

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I must admit firearms I just couldn't see as we are not a country that really has a gun culture and the attitudes raised since the various bans would make it hard to implement and run without a lot of issues.

 

The idea of having a secure club where the guns are stored in heavily locked up storage lockers and safes and only taken out for a sanctioned shoot would be fine but then don't we really have that now for the few that do shoot rifles at range? I mean aside from adding pistols to the list we seem to already have the basics down and if you had civilian ownership I think it would just add to the paranoia of the country on the whole, leading to many US like incidents of people being shot for rather trivial things and everyone being scared that if they do anything they are going to die for it. We have sadly gone too far down that path as a nation to allow such a thing.

 

As for prostitution yes it needs to be a governing body and done in specialist buidlings but then where would you put these places is always the issue that crops up (noise, house prices and all that ###### that people moan about) and for drugs I would say follow the Netherlands way, maximum amount you can have, can only be smoked either in your own property, on another persons property with their permission or in licensed and designated clubs. If you have more than the minimum amount on you then you receive the usual punishments. This is obviously only for the likes of cannabis and other low end drugs, anything else is still illegal with harsh penalties for possesion and dealing. Also it would need to be governed and distributed properly to discourage dealing.

 

Too bad our governing parties be they Labour or Conservative (as lets face it they are the only two that get in) are full of old upper class men that don't understand the importance of these issues.

 

EDIT: Though this was easier to add here than make another post. Royal 'can't be bothered to deliver your items as we are a bunch of complete *fruitcage*-tard *Ubarflock*' Mail. What doesn't help is the laziness of the company that I ordered the item from either. I placed an order for an item for it to appear by today at the latest on last Friday. Now they didn't bother to post it out until Tuesday but do so by First Class and Recorded, this gives RM easily two days to get the item to me but not only have they not done so but they have also not given me anything on the Track and Trace page (it only changed to item accepted at our office on Wednesday even though I was sent an image of the posting proof) and the last time this happened the first Series 70 in Nickel I ordered went missing. I wouldn't expect any more to be honest but it still really ###### me off that these self important *suitcase*-s just can't deliver parcels at all. In the last month half of all my items have been delayed or lost.

 

'FireKnife'

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Apparently I sleepwalk and gargle broken glass and sand.

 

 

Either that, or I'm ill.

 

 

Also, international parcel tracking is *suitcase*. I've had stuff turn up when tracking shows it still in HK. And currently I have a package showing as being in a sorting facility in the US for the last week with no movement.

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