clmwrx Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 O yeah sorry. okie dokie 18+3% Ill look real hard through all my gear bags one last time when I get back home. I will let you know if I find it Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 So why did Clmwrx say (apparently) that it did have tabs? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is why I am giving him a hard time about this. He clearly told me that there were tabs, both front and rear on the gun. I don't know why some of you are saying that I put words in his mouth, you have no idea what he said to me or what I said to him during the conversation, and you have no right saying that I put words in his mouth. Right now I will leave the metal body alone. Although, if the M15 Brucken owns has the same trades as the gun you sold me, that will tell me that you did take the tabs off somehow. Why do you say that his is very old compared to yours? His is serial number 215 and yours is in the 1000's... They made at least (probably more) than 1000 in the first 2 versions. I will be awaiting the screw for the lowcap, the knob on the carry handle, a new CA Retractable stock, and a new spring so the gun will shoot 360 fps, I prefer a PDI. EDIT: And the gun is at Airsoft Atlanta right now getting the internals checked on. They expect to be done with the gun early next week. Link to post Share on other sites
Catchv22 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Well, I just thought I'd add in an idea, most human communication errors are semantic in nature. By tabs, most people who understand the build of an M16 body will tell you that the tabs are at the rear of the receiver which allow a receiver pin to run through them to secure the upper to a lower. However, in Airsoft metal bodies, these aren't required. It's understandable that clmwrx didn't know this and mistook the other securing tab at the rear of the metal body as the tabs you were referring to. His model is clearly a newer version as the older version had the standard receiver tabs at the bottom rear of the upper receiver, but not at the very rear of the receiver under the charging handle. The pictures show that clmwrx's receiver has the newer version tab. The metal body should really be a non-issue as it doesn't function for anything, hence why newer M15s do not require them. Everything else however, should be amended by clmwrx. Link to post Share on other sites
Brucken Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 well yours is extremely old! What trademarks does it have, and does it have pins? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No no no, im not saying that yours had tabs, as my friend has a m15 without tabs as well. Mine has the armalite trades, and do you mean the pins at the rear? If so, nope. Its just that I am wondering why I have them, if only the prototypes had them. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Just the gun and a hi cap for 290. Add on another hi cap for 18 another standard for 18 Add a 9.6v 1100 nimh battery for 30 PRICE DROP Gun and standard for 270 high caps are 12 each I have 2 battery is 20 300+ shipping for all of it <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will paypal you 12 Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I would rather have the mag anyways, so if you cant supply me with a new hicap, you can just refund me for the whole deal. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I doubt that. I am sorry but because I lost a hi cap does not mean you can get all of your money back. Simply just for the magazine, but I am trying my hardest to find that little thing! Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 CA M15A4 Carbine Armalite trades and serial number 001658 - this is a production gun with a 2 piece plastic hop up unit and has rear receiver tabs that the rear receiver pin goes thru NO horizontal pins embeded in the rear of the upper receiver and NO holes for them in the lower You can strip this one like an Marui ie just remove rear receiver pin and pivot the upper on the front receiver pin. The tabs on these are a looped spring metal plate - not the two mouldings shown in the picture earlier in the thread (that look like filed down shiny bare metal) The tabs take up the vertical movement of the upper off the lower preventing the upper being lifted off the lower while the rear receiver pin is in place, whereas those mouldings just barely locate on the lower receiver (and take up a little of the side play that would be left if the rear location relied on the thin spring metal tab ring and receiver pin alone) On the carbines this use of tabs seems to have stopped pretty early on in production of the M15A4 carbines Later variants of the M15A4 from CA wont have that layout on any of them even the first ones off the line, as CA stopped doing it after the early carbines. CA M15A4 Carbine serial number 012406 - 1 piece silver metal hop up unit with black dial - Horizontal Pins and NO tabs This is the type most CA M15A4 owners will be familiar with To strip it you remove the front receiver pin and slide the upper receiver forwards (the rear receiver pin is used just to locate the gearbox) The one in the picture posted near start of the thread has the pins therefore it never had the metal tab ring. The reason for the shiny metal patches that are being confused with filed down tabs? You slide that sort of top and bottom receiver apart to strip it and thats a contact point hence the bright metal where the finish has worn That said, tabs versus pins aside Id still want a refund on this M15A4 if its not as described. eg If it turns out the internals arent upgraded then surely its a no brainer - buyer covers cost of return shipping and insurance and when it arrives safely back where it started, you refund your buyer and you take up the issue with the upgrader that ripped you off and led you into misdescribing a gun. The original upgrade rip off may well have caused an accidental misdescription but it would be a misdescription none the less. Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Thank you very much for clearing that up. I apologize Clmwrx. We will just have to see what turns out when I get the gun back from airsoft atlanta. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I can see how it would be an easy mistake to make - the mouldings that get shiny arent that well defined (they look for all the world like broken off tabs that have snapped off almost right in line with bottom of the upper receiver). Its only when you try and imagine them extending into long tabs with a hole in them that you realise they'd be too thin n brittle a bit of alloy casting to last more than an hour or two of normal use of the gun if that had been their job Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Ya. I am sure I will get alot of sh!t from everyone else about it though! I just want what I paid for to be exaclty what I paid for, I am not trying to be an @sshole about it. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 BTW xpdi. I just ordered a ca retractable and a tm carry handle I bought the whole carry handle so you can salvage the sight assembly. I expect it to be here monday or tuesday. so thats 60 bucks spent Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 BTW CLMWRX Still waiting on a HICAP, and the screw for the carry handle. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I am waiting on the dang hi cap as well. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Why dont you go ahead and send the screw? It would probably only be $.38 to mail it out. Just to let everyone else reading this know, it has been 23 days since I paid, and I still dont have everything I paid for. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 UPDATE G36c double feeding issue is gone, .25 BB's and alot of silicone fixed that. BUT, he claimed it had a promethius inner barrel, which is silver. When the tech at my field (Daniel at www.TeamAirsoft.com) tryed to fix the hopup, he verified that the barrel is not a promethius inner barrel, because it is gold. I am not sure if it is a Systema Tightbore, or a stock barrel, but it DEFINATELY isnt Promethius. EDIT Still not positive on the barrel (I am going to have my field tech have a closer look.) Okay, the barrel is silver on the outside, but gold on the front. Could anyone clarify what kind of barrel this is? Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I wonder why the bb weight effected it. The barrel was a prometheus when I sent it. Whatever happened after that I have no clue. Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Well, you arent going to be happy about this. Airsoft Atlanta still hadn't gotten around to looking at the gun so I got it back from them and brought it to Daniel the field gun tech and owner of American Airsoft. He cracked open the gearbox and IT WAS NOT UPGRADED. The only part that he knew was upgraded was the piston and it wasn't even a Systema one! As you would guess I am extremely mad. I would like what I paid for, so you can either send me a Systema Full Tune Up kit or money for one ($180 + Tax) and the $50 my gun tech charges to install parts. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Wow this ###### me off( not at you but the seller). For my security and yours what kind of proof do you have? I am now going up the chain and investigating. Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 You can feel free to email Daniel at www.americanairsoft.com I can also get him to open it again this week and take pictures if you would like. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 see my only problem is how do I know you didnt just swap the parts? Also if I buy you new parts I do not have to pay for installation. You already claimed to have many aegs and also claim to be experienced Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Yes, but I can not shim the gun. Both airsoft atlanta and american airsoft charge $50 to do anything to the gearbox. So yes, you do need to pay me for the installation. It is your fault that the parts are not in there which means it is your responsibility to have a professional put them in. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 actually it truly isnt my fault due to I didnt upgrade it someone else did. Which is currently under investigation, and I am keeping the names private. As it is my right to. Link to post Share on other sites
Tinkerton Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Sorry to barge in....but you say you're experienced with AEG's and the gear boxes? then why cant/wont you shim it? its not as though its hard.... Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Who did do the upgrades on the M15? A friend who is a great upgrader. What parts are in it? If it got the correct upgrades then it should have all systema parts except the motor. Like a FTK. Just throwing that out there. Anyone have any idea what kind of inner barrel has a silver outside, but the tip is gold? Link to post Share on other sites
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