Titleist Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Sure I can write up a review here in a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
onizuka-gto Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 the first one will probably look better as it's more compact... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> true. it will look good on the MP7, but i do like the circular reticle you can get with the King Arms Multi Reticle Sight, it is just soooo HL2 Gordon Freeman, heheh... I see if anyone else have something to say before i choose... Link to post Share on other sites
InetUID Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I got a Star S-Point some time ago which currently sits on top of my MP7 but it really sucks big time. What problems does the Star have (I was thinking of getting one)? Matt. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Your first clue is that it's made by Star. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 So as for a review of the Zeiss Z-Point (weaver model): It's a reddot reflex, obviously, it's the second generation model, which has an aluminum body as compared to the 1st gen's composite body. Secondly it's 5 times more expensive than the Star version, not 7x. One thing to note is that the solar cell on the top does not power the unit, this is NOT like the Hensoldt Dual Optic scope for the G36 series. In fact I forget how it works, but I believe Zeiss supplied the optics for Hensoldt, if Unimatrix was around he could clear this up. Anyways on the Z-Point the solar cell acts as way of metering the ambient light. If you engage the site into the ON position in automatic mode the solar cell tells if it is a bright or dark environment, if it's dark it dims the reddot, if it's outdoors and sunny it will boost the reddot to make it more visible. You can manual adjust the reddot if you so wish. Installation is quite easy, it doesn't slip over the rail long ways, but rather it hops over sideways and locks into position, once engaged it's rock solid. FOV wise it's less than an aimpoint, so it's kind of a dissapointment compared to my EOtech. Adjustments to windage/elevation are made through allen nuts on the top and left of the front of the unit, it includes an adjustment tool. So the bad stuff: this scope is way overpriced, especially for what you get. It's also annoyingly difficult to operate. The ON/OFF button is hidden as a pressure switch under the ZEISS logo, 1 short press turns it on, press and hold to turn it off. To adjust brightness you short press to turn it on, then short press then press and hold the button to boost brightness. To dim it you make TWO short presses then press and hold to dim, confused? So was I, stupid german ###### if you ask me. Here's the really annoying thing, this is obviously not meant to be a serious combat optic, because on most of all reddots the point of projection on the dot is coming from inside the unit, off to one side so that the enemy can not see the reddot as well. However on the Z-Point this isn't the case, if you can see the enemy with the reddot, they can see your dot as well. I'll get some pics up later tonight of this. In a dark room this is basically saying "shoot me". What an awful design, your only hope is that the brightness is at an absolute minimum so that they hopefully can't see it. So yeah, that's a serious knock against them. I would rank this as the second to worst reddot I own, compared to my EOtech, Aimpoint, C-More, and G36 Dual Optic carry handle. The G36 is still the worst scope I've ever used, period, and I own the real one, and it's awful, this is got a better FOV and better adjustments, but it's still in the same category of "meh". Okay, so is it a good sight? I'd give it a B or B-. It's no EOtech, it's not even an aimpoint (obviously you can tell my bias against the AP), but it's a solid little scope, I got it for 350 shipped, is it worth that much? No, this should be a 250 dollar scope at most, if not cheaper. My C-more runs circles around this scope and it's half the price. Anyways, hope this helps. Below is the 1st Gen Z-Point, note the rudementary iron sights, and fiber body. Link to post Share on other sites
mhe Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 What problems does the Star have (I was thinking of getting one)? Matt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Star replica looks quite nice, it just sucks for aiming Primary purpose of a dot is to correct parallax errors while you aim, giving you faster aiming capabilities because you don't need to align front and rear sight. S-Point has no parallax error correction to speak of, it just projects a red dot and that's about it. To hit your target, you have to make sure that you hold the gun in a way that the dot is in the center of the device. Which means it is just as slow as the iron sights for target acquisition. For looks it's really nice, but the function has to be significantly better on the real deal. Otherwise that would be way to pricey for the performance. Hell, you can get a top of the line EoTech for the price of the real Z-point. Forget the Star. Take the real one or resort to the ATN Ultra Compact. Link to post Share on other sites
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Titleist Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I still thing the Z-Point is the best looking optics on the MP7, but I bought my Z-Point for looks, is it the best Reddot out there, not a chance, but it's still the best Z-Point you can buy, heheh Link to post Share on other sites
FUmiYAsu Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hell, you can get a top of the line EoTech for the price of the real Z-point. Forget the Star. Take the real one or resort to the ATN Ultra Compact. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If he was planning for the star S-point he is hardly going to spend $100 more (2x the price + $30) for an ATN or 5x more for a real z-point, is he?... a replica aimpoint would probably be a more realistic alternative for him... Link to post Share on other sites
mhe Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I still thing the Z-Point is the best looking optics on the MP7, but I bought my Z-Point for looks, is it the best Reddot out there, not a chance, but it's still the best Z-Point you can buy, heheh <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For looks, the Z-Point is unbeatable on the MP7, but it's really really expensive for what you get. That's why I'm considering a cheaper alternative like the King Arms Docter Replica or the ATN Ultra DC. EoTech 551 should also look quite nice on it. Then I'd have an excuse to finally get that picatinny mount for my NVG... Thanks Titleist for the writing, plus-rep'd you already Link to post Share on other sites
mhe Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 If he was planning for the star S-point he is hardly going to spend $100 more (2x the price + $30) for an ATN or 5x more for a real z-point, is he?... a replica aimpoint would probably be a more realistic alternative for him... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup. Might be. But he may also have been considering the S-Point based on the assumption that it does what one might think it does - aim. Which it doesn't do properly. I think for looks a sight for the MP7 has to be quite compact. Aimpoint is quite large, but possible. I'd rather take one of the Docter replicas (King Arms oder Samurai) or the King Arms multi reticle one as already posted in this thread. The King Arms costs way less than the S-Point and performs superior. After all it comes back to the looks. The ATN is quite cheap considering it's a real steel sight and it works very well. So it would be a balanced choice between looks, performance and price. Agreed? Link to post Share on other sites
wildstallion Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I own one of those sights the larger one with the multi recticles. Its very good quality btw, my only concern will be protecting it from a bb shot as I dont think it will stand a chance Link to post Share on other sites
onizuka-gto Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 yeah, that thought had accur to me too, but then again the majority of afordable reflex red dot sights seem to be of the one glass panel hud thing. so it's really a moot point. would be good if i knew which one to get, and not have to guess by the description and price tage. Link to post Share on other sites
mhe Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I own one of those sights the larger one with the multi recticles. Its very good quality btw, my only concern will be protecting it from a bb shot as I dont think it will stand a chance <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Linky!! Put that one in front of the sight, if necessary heat up the lower section of the lens and bend it towards the red dot. Will seal it perfectly. yeah, that thought had accur to me too, but then again the majority of afordable reflex red dot sights seem to be of the one glass panel hud thing. so it's really a moot point. would be good if i knew which one to get, and not have to guess by the description and price tage. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To make the decision easier (i have my mind now set on the ATN Ultra Compact), I've asked a friend of mine to take some pics of the compact on the MP7. Enjoy: http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0314.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0315.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0316.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0317.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0318.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
FUmiYAsu Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Linky!! Put that one in front of the sight, if necessary heat up the lower section of the lens and bend it towards the red dot. Will seal it perfectly. To make the decision easier (i have my mind now set on the ATN Ultra Compact), I've asked a friend of mine to take some pics of the compact on the MP7. Enjoy: http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0314.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0315.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0316.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0317.jpg http://free.pages.at/bonkers/CIMG0318.jpg <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good choice... The best all round, price, performance and looks... this looks just like mine.... in fact I think the sight is mounted on the same rib too. Good tht I now have a troy sling on it... Link to post Share on other sites
onizuka-gto Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 To make the decision easier (i have my mind now set on the ATN Ultra Compact), I've asked a friend of mine to take some pics of the compact on the MP7. thanks mhe! But alas, just when i thought I knew where i was going to spend my money on a new sight, someone had to bring this website to my attention...ARRGGH! http://www.x-fire.org/aeg/2004other/e.hk.html New MP7A1 custom components!!! nooooo! MUST....RESIST.....TIGHTER INNER BARREL.....PISTON....SPRING GUIDE....ROLLING BRUSH....arrgghhhh.... Link to post Share on other sites
Qhs Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Guys I was wondering. Is the MP7 battery the type that does not need to be discharged? I remember that some types of batteries (NiCad?) will lose its life if remaining power in the battery is not discharged and left in storage for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites
shcurti Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I am one of the lucky few around these parts to get ahold of a mp7 $233 included shipping. I will have a quick review in the morning. Link to post Share on other sites
Gramaton Cleric Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I am one of the lucky few around these parts to get ahold of a mp7 $233 included shipping. I will have a quick review in the morning. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what "parts" are you saying you are from? it's not particularly hard to get............ Link to post Share on other sites
Qhs Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I think he was mentioning location. Not actual MP7 parts. Link to post Share on other sites
Gramaton Cleric Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I think he was mentioning location. Not actual MP7 parts. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes, i knew how he meant it. i was basically asking him where he was from. I wanted to know where he lives that only a few people have them... Link to post Share on other sites
Qhs Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Opsadasies, I re-read your post and I was the one who made the error. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 yay my MP7 finally shipped! woo woo! Link to post Share on other sites
onizuka-gto Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 yay my MP7 finally shipped! woo woo! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ahh... you talking about the MP7? that was soooo last week....try to keep up, m'kay? Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 ahh... you talking about the MP7? that was soooo last week....try to keep up, m'kay? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> they sent me an email saying it just shipped yesterday...nyar. Link to post Share on other sites
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