Sledge Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Let's be clear: Beagle has kept you up to date on everything that's going on. So, you either accept that or are accusing him of theft? Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmypie Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Let's be clear: Beagle has kept you up to date on everything that's going on. So, you either accept that or are accusing him of theft? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And im sure if you have informed the law , it would be in their hands now. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Actually, if this has been turned over to the law (US or UK?), it's probably best this thread be locked, as I'm not sure where we stand commenting on a legal matter. Link to post Share on other sites
beagle Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Right Brad would it be alright if we could continue the matter via PM or email to avoid this mutual behavior Werner Link to post Share on other sites
Elias Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 There's nothing illegal or unethical about packing it in such a way as to not attract attention. Its no different than covering trademarks, etc. Further, I don't need to help my case. I need my money back or my gun shipped. He's got my money and has not sent the gun. Its that simple. Where I come from, you get arrested and charged with a felony for that. I posted on all his sale threads to let potential buyers know he has not kept his word with me. Thats the purpose of a discussion forum. I apologize for the annoying reposts, and will keep further discussion here to his for-sale thread and this thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just FYI, he is in the process of sending the gun, and thus IS NOT breaking the law. It would be breaking the law if he took your money, did not keep in touch and had no intention of sending the gun. So at the risk of a cliche, get your facts sorted. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlowe Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 The best thing for all concerned is if everyone except the two parties stay out of posing in this thread from here on. Werner, the best thing you can do is post once the MG42 is posted. Falcon, the best thing you can do is post here once the MG42 has arrived. Apart from that please avoid posting. Insults and otherwise aren't going to achieve anything in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites
Enemy at the Gate Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 OK Guys, I've just sat here and listened to you ripping Falcon to bits with no more evidence against him than your own opinions. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but our little friend Werner Yu IS committing fraud. Just in case anyone doesn't know who I am, I own AirsoftScotland.com. We have already charged Werner for credit card fraud, a criminal record that will stay with him for life unfortunately for him. Also unfortunately, I can't give any more info on this matter as it could damage our case against him. One thing I CAN tell all you clever people; we are definately NOT the only ones he has committed fraud against. Falcon, I'm sorry mate but I don't fancy your chances of getting this kit from our 'mutual friend'. The best thing you can do now is to carry through your legal actions against him. The more cases we have, the deeper and darker his cell is going to be. Until he's allowed out to the showers......... Link to post Share on other sites
frenchie Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 You may involve the law, But as said, Im going to paint to flashhider Orange and cover trademark's even if it delayed me by a day So it does get to you. Werner <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when did Shoei MG42s have trademarks? Any MG42 for that matter? F Link to post Share on other sites
5thElement Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 OK Guys, I've just sat here and listened to you ripping Falcon to bits with no more evidence against him than your own opinions. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but our little friend Werner Yu IS committing fraud. Just in case anyone doesn't know who I am, I own AirsoftScotland.com. We have already charged Werner for credit card fraud, a criminal record that will stay with him for life unfortunately for him. Also unfortunately, I can't give any more info on this matter as it could damage our case against him. One thing I CAN tell all you clever people; we are definately NOT the only ones he has committed fraud against. Falcon, I'm sorry mate but I don't fancy your chances of getting this kit from our 'mutual friend'. The best thing you can do now is to carry through your legal actions against him. The more cases we have, the deeper and darker his cell is going to be. Until he's allowed out to the showers......... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when did Shoei MG42s have trademarks? Any MG42 for that matter? F <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Owned lol Good luck Falcon, doesn't sound too great Maybe Werner should be banned from trading here if all that is true (obviously it is!) Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Rider Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Owned lol Good luck Falcon, doesn't sound too great Maybe Werner should be banned from trading here if all that is true (i dont doubt that it is!) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't really ban a user from trading without banning him from everywhere, which would give those guys out of pocket one less way to contact him. He is being watched, however. Link to post Share on other sites
5thElement Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hmm, true. I cant believe the guys audacity though, to come on here saying he's sending it etc! lol unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites
mysticmeg Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hmm, true. I cant believe the guys audacity though, to come on here saying he's sending it etc! lol unbelievable. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't know if he is or isn't sending it though...You are basing that OPINION on things that have been posted on a public forum. *Airsoft Scotland* by that I wasn't saying what you posted isn't true Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmypie Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 The best thing for all concerned is if everyone except the two parties stay out of posing in this thread from here on. Werner, the best thing you can do is post once the MG42 is posted. Falcon, the best thing you can do is post here once the MG42 has arrived. Apart from that please avoid posting. Insults and otherwise aren't going to achieve anything in the long run. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i think this says it all. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlowe Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Just a brief update: after a brief chat with Werner / Beagle over PM, Werner has admitted without any pressure from myself that he does, for reasons that would not be appropriate to disclose, owe Airsoft Scotland an amount of money. Werner has promised that he will satisfy all trades with which he is currently involved. I am aware that this may be of little comfort to those affected, but this is the limit of what I am able to do. As Ghost as already commented, banning him would achieve little and instead provide those affected with one less means of communication. Update: Now that Beagle has provided notification of shipping the MG42, If Falcon would post to confirm when / if he receives his MG42, it would be appreciated, so that this particular thread may be moved to the settled dispute section. If there is any other outstanding trades etc which members wish this thread to remain in this section for, then please feel free to let me know. Link to post Share on other sites
beagle Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 The MG42 was sent Saturday, And the tracking number email'd to Falcon The problem's have been discussed with AS and hopefully will be resolved soon Sorry for all the trouble Werner Link to post Share on other sites
Carrion Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 can i just ask right now who will be liable IF the package gets caught in customs for any reason. werner who is the seller and is thoreticaly liable or falcon who is the person importing ? who should understand the risks of importing anyuthing gun shapped into another country Link to post Share on other sites
gazchap Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 The buyer is responsible IMO. It's the seller's responsibility to accurately declare the contents of the package (and the value of said contents) to the customs office in the country that the package is departing from. It's the buyer's responsibility to know that he may be charged import duty and other taxes, and to make allowances for that. It's both buyer's and seller's responsibility (IMO) to ensure that the item being shipped to the destination country is both legal to import, and that if any special steps need to be carried out (in the case of the US, adding an orange flash-hider/muzzle and removing trademarks) that arrangements are made for these to be carried out before the item is shipped. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlowe Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 The buyer is responsible IMO. It's the seller's responsibility to accurately declare the contents of the package (and the value of said contents) to the customs office in the country that the package is departing from. It's the buyer's responsibility to know that he may be charged import duty and other taxes, and to make allowances for that. It's both buyer's and seller's responsibility (IMO) to ensure that the item being shipped to the destination country is both legal to import, and that if any special steps need to be carried out (in the case of the US, adding an orange flash-hider/muzzle and removing trademarks) that arrangements are made for these to be carried out before the item is shipped. Apologies; I thought I'd responded. It appears the database might have had a minor paddy at the time which I posted. As far as I understand it, the matter boils down to exactly that which Gaz summarised. The buyer imports an item at their own risk, and the onus is on them to ensure that the item imported is legal in their home nation. Many retailers do offer to putty trades and use orange flash hiders / paint in order to comply with US regulations, but I believe they do this more to ensure that they don't lose potentially lucrative US customers, rather than out of any legal obligation. As a result, if the item were to be confiscated by US customs officials, and Werner can produce evidence that he posted the item (certification or a tracking number, etc), then the responsiblity falls at Falcon's feet. We are all talking in the realms of a hypothetical situation here, however. It is to be hoped that this does NOT occur. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlowe Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Just to update, I've been sent evidence tracking the parcel that the item has been delivered. As far as I'm concerned, unless the buyer is not satisfied (in which case feel free to let me or another Mod know and we'll re-open the thread, the trade has now been completed satisfactorily, and the matter resolved. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
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