The Israel Crisis

[doc_newstead]

Their land?? and how did they come by this land in the first place? The country has only been going since the 60's IIRC.

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Um, 40's.

[Steve Pearson]

So with that statement, will the US government be giving the Native American people all their land back that was taken by white settlers all those years ago?

[expvideo]

It began in Israel with one group of terrorists and is now in Lebanon with another group of terrorists(who are probablly linked with Hamas), it started with the land my friend.

 

And it is the Israelies land because they were the ones who made it what it is, they took that god forsaken land and turned it in to a beautiful country. Plus they were there before the Palestinians were

 

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How were they there before the palestinians? I think you need to watch the clip you posted. The palestinians were there first. The UN decided to give Israel to the jews. It wasn't the UN's to give. The palestinians are now upset that their homeland is now Israel.

 

And for the record, I didn't say that you were a neo-con bush clone, or that your sister was evil. I'm just disagreeing with you, and saying that patriotism is a poor debate tool.

 

"How can you watch the towers blow up and still disagree with me (on this totally unrelated subject)?! What kind of a monster would disapprove of Israel slaughtering civilians... I mean after 9/11..."

[The Chef]

Doc, I stand corrected.

 

The State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, (sourced from Wiki)

[Connery]

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[expvideo]

So with that statement, will the US government be giving the Native American people all their land back that was taken by white settlers all those years ago?

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No, we managed to kill the majority of them before the geneva convention, so we should be ok.

[nobody]

I'm tired of the Israelies being stepped on! They've always been the canary in the coal mine! I'm glad they fought back! Them Fighting back is a message to the extremist muslim sect that we will not tolerate their attacks on innocent people.

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Please tell me your under the age of ten. Where the hell have you been! Everytime there has been a suicide bombing or rocket attack its been met by massive artillery and air bombardments or tanks shelling the gaza strip. Isreal has frequenly cast the first stone.

 

Last time i checked airports, ports, tower blocks, power stations and roads were part of theinfastructure of lebanon and not hezbollah. The whole thing is ######. Isreal has ###### all over the geneva convention (though saying that im not sure its signed up to it) by blocking and bombing the exits from the country and bombing entire cities. Hezbollah is wrong, dont think im trying to justify their actions but isreal has just used it as an excuse to bomb the ###### out of an already unstable country. Also, before you start banding the word terrorist about remember that isreali terrorists attacked the british in the years leading up to the formation of isreal.

[doc_newstead]

I think the whole thing is very regrettable. And that's about as much opinion as you'll get from me.

[Lord Krell]

To be fair though the geneva convention is pretty *beep* anyway.

[Connery]

I'm seriously shocked that PILMAN hasn't shown up yet.

[kliskey]

Sorry to say this, but I am disgusted by what Israel is doing. So what, Hezbollah kid-napped to Israeli soldiers? How many civilians have been kidnapped, tortured and arrested by Israel prior to that incident?

 

The rocket attacks coming from Lebanon are "effectively" doing NO damage what’s so ever - Maybe shattering some glass! But would you lot wake up, look at the pictures of South Beirut and the rest of Lebanon - It’s like a mini nuke has it the area. Complete and utter destruction of the civilian sector!

"All our attacks are strictly coordinated" - Say the Israeli army. Yet, the civilian death toll has reached almost 500. A couple of days ago, they bombed a toilet paper factory because they claimed it was one of Hezbollah’s HQ's! And more bad news yesterday, when they decided to bomb a Red Cross truck - Yeh Bravo!

 

And what are the Americans doing? Undercover supportage. I don't think Israel would have entered Lebanon with out American telling them what to do. The public announcement of support later on in the campaign was all planned prior.

Being the conspirest that I am, I think that America sent the troops in to draw out Hezbollah only to then use that as an excuse to play the "War on Terror" game!

This allows for America to get one step closer to Damascus and Tehran in the Political game.

Sooner or later they will both take sides with Beirut (Which I am sure is what America wants) and then we will have a major crisis on our hands!

Also – Just to make one thing clear! Lebanon is a Democratic state. Hezbollah are like the “Home Guard” – If the UK were to come under attack, and we lost our Military, would you sit at home waiting to die? Or would you relish to the streets and try and fight off the opposing force?

Anyway – That’s just how I feel

[Lord Krell]

Hezbollah are not like the "Home Guard" They are illegal combatents and have been declared as a terrorist group my many countrys. nxt you will be telling me the IRA was just the Irish Home Guard.l

[Xeno-Morpheus]

Hezzbolla might want to "negotiate" with Israel but you should never ever negotiate with terrorists, once they find a way to get their own way they will keep doing it. Before you know it Hezzbollah would be abducting people left right and centre.

 

Never to negotiate? Isn't that throwing the first rock?

 

If you decide to never use diplomatic sollutions you will inevitable use force whenever and whereever.

 

So because the israelis been steped on they can do exactly the same thing to other people? Hitler killed a lot of innocents during WWII. So now it's ok for israel to erradicate the palestinians?

 

I don't really agree with the use of force at all. My brother was a UN-soldier (EOD-specialist) in lebanon. He lost his leg and a piece of his arm due to israeli mines.

 

The palistinians are desperate. They don't have any fancy tanks and rockets. They have themselves and a few homemade bombs. I can understand their desperation and I see why they do it. BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE USE OF FORCE HERE EITHER.

 

I think GREAT efforts have to be made to lay down arms. Those with the power to do so are the israelis with the support of the usa. Do they do it?

 

I really hope everyone will be able to reach a peaceful sollution soon. I seriously doubt it, because both sides are as stubborn as the other. This war has been going on for years and years...

 

Both have to make sacrifices to their ideals. They can't live like the otherone isn't here. They have to get along.

 

If they don't bring up diplomatic sollutions this war will never end. If they don't even speak with eachother both countries has truly lost...

[doc_newstead]

The rocket attacks coming from Lebanon are "effectively" doing NO damage what’s so ever - Maybe shattering some glass!

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17 civilians have been killed, while another 418 civilians were treated in hospitals, 19 of whom were seriously injured, and another 875 treated for shock.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5193662.stm

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3279994,00.html

[Xeno-Morpheus]

I'd like to see the UN go in to build a barrier and build a springboard for diplomatic sollutions.

 

I'd go!

[kliskey]

They are a group of people fighting for what they believe is fair! So were the IRA for that matter - There issues go way back to the 18th century, where they were campaigning for Catholic Emancipation. And as they didn't get, a small liberation party was created.

Obviously in the 20th centaury the problem with the IRA escalated - But I can see where they are coming from - Why is it that when someone fights for what they believe in - Effectively a higher "freedom of speech" - They are considered terrorists!

Take Israel and Palestine for example. It was originally Palestinian land - But due to the British and Judaism, the country of Israel was formed in the early 50's.

So now today when Palestine are still fighting to claim back, or even prevent Israel from taking more, they are considered petty terrorists!

It’s a bit like the VCRB - Although at the moment we are fighting peacefully - We do not want to lose our sport - But because we want to keep it, we are considered a public nuisance!

[Lord Krell]

Israel is not trying to kill all the palestinians. Anyone who thinks they are is a fool and best leave this thrad before they make themselves look even more foolish.

 

Israel is committed to making a palestinian state that is not a threat to their nation. All the palestinians need to do is established a proper goverment that recognises Israels right to exist and cease their terrorist actions agaisnt Israel.

 

I do encourage diplomacy, however diplomacy is a thing to do between nations, not something to carry out with terrorists. Terrorists carry out acts of terror in cases like this to force nations into talks, if you engage in talks with them they have won.

[Connery]

[mario114]

I believe that Israel should have the right to defend itself it is always singled out and is hated by so many countries. I do however think they have been far too heavy handed, send a ground force yes and push the terrorists back, but the bombing of bridges, ports and the airport were unnecessary.

[expvideo]

Hezbollah are not like the "Home Guard" They are illegal combatents and have been declared as a terrorist group my many countrys. nxt you will be telling me the IRA was just the Irish Home Guard.l

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40% of Lebanese are supportive of hezbollah, who are a major community and political group, as well as a local militia which has on very few occasions committed what would be considered terrorist acts. (according to CBS news 5 minutes ago)

 

They're a political party. It's like saying the republicans are terrorists.

 

The Hezbollah is NOT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! Look past the Israeli propaganda, people! look at the facts! Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization.

 

I strongly support Lebanon and the Lebanese people. Israel has crossed a line, and they need to be stopped.

[Steve Pearson]

No, we managed to kill the majority of them before the geneva convention, so we should be ok.

 

Lol!

 

And now they work in your Las Vegas casinos! (joke). Ironically (and way off topic) the vast majoirty of Native Americans died as a result of disease brought over by white settlers, as opposed to the traditional view of them being wiped out by gun totting cowboys.

 

Anyways....back on topic. I want to see a clean fight, no biting, no cursing, no rabbit punches to the back of the head and no kicking to the knackers. Chinese wrist burns are allowed though.

 

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Hang on, I've just missed summit from an earlier post.

 

Israel have children kept in prison/detention centres?

 

Whats all that about?

[kliskey]

I believe that Israel should have the right to defend itself

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This is true - However, since the Lebanon/ Israeli war in the 80's - Israel continued to create un ease between the two nations - As said in a previous post, they have captured and arrested countless civilians. Yet Hezbollah didn’t invade Israel did they? - There might have been mini skirmishes across the border - But nothing as serious as this!

So are you saying that Lebanon - Which everyone seems to think is an inferior state - Does not have the right to defend itself?

[Lord Krell]

They're a political party.  It's like saying the republicans are terrorists.

 

The Hezbollah is NOT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!  Look past the Israeli propaganda, people!  look at the facts!  Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization.

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A political party with an armed military branch. Next you will be telling me Hamas is just political party.

 

Real partys don't have armed wings, those that do are little more than terrorist groups who want to look respectable. Lets have a look at some political groups with armed wings shall we.

 

- Hamas

- The Nazi Party

- Sein Fein

- Chinese Communist Party

- Russian Communist Party

- Maoists in Nepal

 

 

What a wonderful and respectable list. You know you are so right, we should sit down and talk with this political party. From the way they are run they seem like a nice bunch of chaps. Wow how could i have been so wrong.

 

 

 

They are a terrorist orgonisation by the way, here are some fact.....

 

-Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel

 

- The United Nations has called for the disbanding of Hezbollah's military wing in UN Security Council Resolution 1559 (this has not been done)

 

- kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Marine Colonel William R. Higgins

 

- kidnapped around 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992

 

- responsible for the April 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut

 

- responsible for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing

 

- Responsible for the the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847

 

 

 

 

You are so right they are a political party. I remember the days of the USA republcan sucide bombings against Mexican targets so well.

[snowman]

97.9% of all Hezbollah members are called Eric.

 

Come on, where does that 40% of all Lebanese support Hezbollah come from? Thin air? Rigged elections at the barrel of a gun?

 

Hezbollah have a long and rich heritage of terrorism (killing innocent people for your beliefs is my definition, something many of the Israeli state founders were guilty of in their time, too... King David Hotel anyone? Damned sight worse than kidnapping a few soldiers...), but that doesn't mean that the civilians in Beirut should suffer indiscriminate shelling and bombing from the ever-wronged Israelis...

 

It takes two to Tango and two to make peace, but it seems neither Hezbollah OR Israeli Government currently have any interest in peace at the moment...

 

The losers? As usual, the civilians in the war zone...

 

I remember the days of the USA republcan sucide bombings against Mexican targets so well.

 

So, if you can afford aircraft carriers and cruise missiles to do your killing, anything is acceptable?

 

Cheers

[expvideo]

Pictures say more than words:

 

 

Oops, That last pic is from Israel's invasion of Lebanon (to fight "terrorists") in 1978... it just gets so confusing, right?