Hustie Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Righto, so whilst I was at Sams Club today I saw something that cuaght my attention, it was a box of hfc-134a refrigerant, same thing as duster gas and the airsoft gas. I already have an AI duster adaptor so nothing special right? NO! These cans were $3 a pop, same 12oz as office depot cans but the price was $35 for 12 cans! The have a threaded top and appear to be puncturable in the top where the threads are, here's a link to what it looks like:linky (not a good pic I know) So my question is whether an adaptor is already made (Preferably) or can one be made or retro fitted? Thanks for all advice. Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix360mute Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 i take it its not the same top that could use a propane adaptor? Link to post Share on other sites
Hustie Posted September 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Sadly not. Though I reckon it's standard thread of which parts can be found at hardware stores. Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronism327 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Airsoft Innovations made prototype 134a adaptors, it's basically a small piece of plastic that fits over the top. You could email the guy to see if he's making them... Link to post Share on other sites
Hustie Posted September 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 I already own an AI adaptor, but come to think of it, I'll email him anyway to see if see if he might make a custom piece for me. Link to post Share on other sites
AgentX Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 That'd be very interesting since I've seen the 134A cans laying around Walmart for cheap. Let us know if anything comes up because I am planning on getting the propane adaptor in the near future and I'd like to maybe use the 134A cans. Link to post Share on other sites
exoframe2 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Probably not on anyone's mind, but since 1995 it's been illegal to vent any refrigerant gas in the US into the atmosphere. This includes R-134a. Link to post Share on other sites
AgentX Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 If it's illegal, then why is it regularly advailable at Wal-mart? Kind of odd...maybe it's not normal Freeon? Link to post Share on other sites
exoframe2 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Read for yourself if you don't believe me. http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html The crime is in the action, not in possession. You can use the cans with an adapter hose to fill your car's AC system. Link to post Share on other sites
AgentX Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Read for yourself if you don't believe me. http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html The crime is in the action, not in possession. You can use the cans with an adapter hose to fill your car's AC system. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aw damn, thanks for the backup info. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbit SWAT Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 So firing a gbb with 134a is... illegal? Link to post Share on other sites
exoframe2 Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 So firing a gbb with 134a is... illegal? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> By the letter of the law, and with R-134a freon, yes. Now will the EPA come knocking on your door if you do it? Unlikely. But it's best to keep the law in mind. Link to post Share on other sites
pingpong Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 one reason its illegal to use openly is because it kills the O-zone. The government strictly regulate that type of Gas in the air. BTW those are not the same type of 134a. Link to post Share on other sites
El_Hombre Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Aren't the airsoft gases Hydroflurocarbons as opposed to Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), the ones that murder the ozone. Link to post Share on other sites
exoframe2 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 They are. CFC's were pushed out of production in the early to mid 90's, BUT HFC's still represent a substantial environmental impact since they are a greenhouse gas. HFC-134a in particular is 1300 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere. We don't need this to turn into a discussion about global warming, etc etc... the letter of the law states HFC-134a/R-134a, and -134 variant is illegal to deliberately release into the atmosphere. Take it as you will, these are the facts. Read here if you're interested http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1998/June/Day-11/a15003.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Crispin1025 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 one reason its illegal to use openly is because it kills the O-zone. The government strictly regulate that type of Gas in the air. BTW those are not the same type of 134a. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> CFC's, contrary to popular opinion, are not really destructive to the ozone layer. Your looking at 5% at the most, while the concentrations of the ozone layer fluctuate by 50%, and any damage that occurs happens at the north and south poles, where the conditions for CFC damage occuring are ideal. But again, 5% at the most. Cheers, Daniel Link to post Share on other sites
mauserfreak Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 They are. CFC's were pushed out of production in the early to mid 90's, BUT HFC's still represent a substantial environmental impact since they are a greenhouse gas. HFC-134a in particular is 1300 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere. We don't need this to turn into a discussion about global warming, etc etc... the letter of the law states HFC-134a/R-134a, and -134 variant is illegal to deliberately release into the atmosphere. Take it as you will, these are the facts. Read here if you're interested http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1998/June/Day-11/a15003.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> > Law is always interesting and often contridictory.Given that it is probably illegal in some way, back to the question at hand. What is needed to use the stuff for airsoft? Is it mabe better to use propane?That might ease the karma issue.I have some old Fujimi pistols and am looking for the best way to shoot them cheaply without external air. Link to post Share on other sites
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