Onechance Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 The Glock 17 and Madbull silencer links take me to the 'National Weather Service Forecast Office' webpage for Forth Worth, Texas <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just get "page can not be displayed" Anyone been using green gas long enough to see any side affects? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) The G17 by Marui does have splendid performances even on Green gas. It will max out at 290 FPS with .20grams BBs. Best thing to know is it still features the same diecast chamber on the upper slide therefore it is known for the hammer on the G26Advances to break the chamber (not nozzle). Also, if you put too much green gas in the magazine and fire, the gun will shoot the first round and the slide will lock back with the slide off the frame tracks. Thus this will result in the trigger's arm catch to bend out of shape resulting to more slide locks. This problem is easily fixed by bending the part back in shape. The slide catch on the gun has been reinforced therefore there hasn't been any problems of the plastic slide wearing down fast. It is only that you do not want to fill the magazine full with green gas. Not only the slide will lock back and the trigger arm part will bend out of shape, the trigger itself will lose the cocking indicator function and the trigger will not depress. Back to performances, this gun in Zero Wind conditions will be able to shoot an entire aircraft hangar capable of housing 2~3 P-3 Orions. I was test shooting this gun in my part time work to see the range and accuracy of the gun and it shot from point A to point B, Wall to almost reaching the end of the hangar. Very impressive performance, blowback, details, and power. Edited December 30, 2006 by Shinden Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardboiledcop Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 So, you can't fill the magazine with green? Are you sure that isn't something to do with the temp. where you are, I don't see how filling the magazine would be different to slightly underfilling it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Yes you can fill the magazine with green gas. It is that the gas might be too strong on the slide when firing. It is not the temperature in Hawaii because it was tested at 72F and it was also tested outside at 81F. There was only the problem when the magazine is fully filled with green gas. My best suggestions is gas the magazine before its full. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the beast Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 hi there from NEW ZEALAND well first off great review and I will be adding this to my new year must have list!! Its good to know that the grip is warm to the touch not like on a ksc 18c that feels cold and plastic like,Im in the market for another glock at the moment and couldnt decide on either a ksc glock 19(all the previous problems have been addressed in this model)or this the tm 17,but after reading this in depth I must say Im swayed towards the tm model. Just though I would mention after market metal slides are now released from here http://www.dentrinityshop.com/index_ie.jsp they are from shooters design brand etc,and after having seen one of these slides on a ksc glock I know they will be of great quality.Im sure all the retailers will be listing these soon. keep up the great reviews fareast!! brilliant. Off now to catch some as its new years eve tonight happy new year to all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HueyRider Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Excellent review.Thanks. I probably get one for the new year but I still having my doubts because the lack of TM pieces. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BabuFish Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hi FarEast, (Or anyone who has both) I needed to ask about your opinion on the KSC glock 17 vs. TM Glock 17. Why because it seems that for $130 I can get a KSC Glock 17, which has 'more real markings' (no "Made in JAPAN by Tokyo Marui), and it comes with a metal upgraded slide by G & P. This sure looks more tantalizing if they both perform just as well. That's IF they both perform equally as well. The TM one however based on the pictures seem to be better made (maybe its cause its made in JAPAN by TM and not TAIWAN by KSC). So with this in mind, which would be the better bet in your opinion, A TM glock 17 made in Japan with unrealistic markings and a plastic slide (upgrade costs another $120 according to you), or a KSC made in Taiwan with more gun like markings,with a metal slide upgrade included for $135. (DEN) Also, did you record the FPS for TM G17 ? and its accuracy? Well i'm looking for something that has everything a gun enthusiast would like, as real as possible to the actual gun, and fires dead accurate. Many thanks and excellent review, it would be nice to see more reviews from you. BabuFish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kilo_64 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I don't believe the KSC Glocks come standard with a metal slide. For 130 if you're ordering for Den it should be the KWA one. KWA is Taiwan vs KSC from japan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BabuFish Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 (edited) Beg my pardon, i'm referring to the KSC G17 Metal slide version from Cobra which sells for $135.00 On another note, KWA is made in Taiwan and KSC is made in the exact same factory. They ship it to Japan and package it differently and call it KSC. Both KSC and KWA is made in Taiwan. I'm sure many here can confirm that. Edited January 19, 2007 by BabuFish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Beg my pardon, i'm referring to the KSC G17 Metal slide version from Cobra which sells for $135.00 On another note, KWA is made in Taiwan and KSC is made in the exact same factory. They ship it to Japan and package it differently and call it KSC. Both KSC and KWA is made in Taiwan. I'm sure many here can confirm that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KSC comes w/ trademarks & plastic slide and KWA has no trademark but metal slide. Personally i would build off the TM Glock 17.. The functions and hop-up unit are similar to the TM 5.1 which is one of the most accurate / consistent shooting GBB out of the box. The KSC Glock is notorious for shoot stray bb's. The hop-up unit in my opinion is garbage. Plus side is that KSC makes various Glock models.. If you’re going with a KSC get the Glock 34 model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BritanniaWD Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 The usual amazingly detailed review, but no offence, but I only really noted one line: Next in line for us is the Desert Eagle .50 AE 10 inch, but that’s for another time! Na, great job and I'm looking forward to maybe trying this pistol. Thanks for the review! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 The realism/trademark issue is tricky. Sure the TM has "Made in Japan" on it, but a lot of KSC and KWA models lately have had some dumb "mil spec" markings and such. Not realistic at all. The TM has the Glock logo in the grip and a lanyard loop hole. I notice these much more than the markings on the right side of the gun, as I'm right handed. Then again the rear of the slide is more realistic on KSC, and the trigger remains back when pulled as on the real one. It's what you emphasize really. Neither is perfect so you need to make choices. -Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
counterassasin Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 How is the compatability between the TM Glock 17 and the KSC Glock 17? Are magazines interchangeable? How about recoil rods and high-flow valves? If they are, I will most certainly buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 None of that stuff is interchangeable, but you can get all the same upgrades for the TM as you can for the KSC. A lot of TM Glock 26 parts fit the TM Glock 17. -Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
counterassasin Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Ok, thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rix Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) Sorry for fishing up this thread, but Sale, you said you need to make choices because neither the TM or the KSC is Pefect. When you need to choose, which one would you pick? I am asking you since you seem to know much about both greets Edited March 18, 2007 by Rix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I currently have a TM Glock 17 with a PGC metal slide. Does that answer your question? BTW. I found that you can use recoil springs made for the KSC Glock in the TM model. -Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger Stubbs Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Meh, it's another of the thousands upon thousands of Glock models running around on our skirmish fields. Japanese market only interest or no, TM should be pioneering the AEP concept instead of bringing back old news. Everyone went more than a little nuts over the MP7 than they ever will a new Glock. Their loss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rix Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I currently have a TM Glock 17 with a PGC metal slide. Does that answer your question? BTW. I found that you can use recoil springs made for the KSC Glock in the TM model. -Sale <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you Sale, that answers my question Have a nice weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) I just got the Guarder recoil spring with spring guide + hammer spring set here. Best twelve bucks I've ever spent, the pistol went from 280 fps to 300 just with the hammer spring. I'll see if I can fit a 6.01 barrel and modify the floating valve to get some more. -Sale Edited March 25, 2007 by Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Is there any high flow valves that work for the TM G17. Im wondering if the nineball one for the TM M9 & G26 would work. Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 As I believe was said earlier, the magazines (and thus valves) are interchangeable, provided that the length is correct. So G26 Advance and G17 magazines are the same thing. -Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deepsix Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Those Guarder steel slide sets look mighty tasty... anyone have any first-hand experience with those yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TooTall Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Those Guarder steel slide sets look mighty tasty... anyone have any first-hand experience with those yet? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have one. *Tokyo Marui G17 3rd Gen 112.90EUR *Guarder g17 metal slide set for marui 168.00EUR It is NOT a drop in set, required a bit of filing on the blowback chamber to get it to fit. There's a 200% recoil spring included, which make the replica feel good, but I'm wondering what it'll do with preformance, I feel it doesn't cycle all the way back with the 200% one. It looks and feels the business though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Ha! I recognize that gun case! My pistol was actually shipped in one. I think that 9 mm brush has little use with the airsoft model? -Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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