REVOA4 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Yeah, and the moon is made of cheese... There are ZERO airsoft m4's in existence that are not made out of pot metal. You AK fans seem to forget that at least you guys can buy your guns in STEEL flavor, ie a real metal. WTF are you talking about, take one of the new Dboys metal M4's and compare the body to say a CYMA Ak or something with a VERY low grade metal and you can tell a huge difference between the 2 bodies. I'm no metal specialist that you claim to be but there are some very nice metal bodies coming from china right now. I own multiple airsoft and multiple real steel weopons including M4's and Saiga Ak's so I feel I can coment on the quality of the bodies, I assume you do as well since your making such claims about metal quality. Please feel free to explain to us all what constitutes pot metal? Link to post Share on other sites
GRIM! Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) I'm already working out a deal for an ICS barrel and already have a real AKM gas block, front sight, and slant muzzle. I'm like that too, accuracy nut, I just don't say anything much. I forgot to mention in my post that it was going to eventually be an AIM and an AKM as soon as I track down a Romanian palm swell lower handguard. Cool you have done a great job m8 Btw how does the RS AKM gasblock and front sight atach? Inoaktsu have skrews :S ive beenthinking of getting RS instead since RS parts is sex. Edited December 26, 2007 by GRIM! Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeMP1 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Thanks Yeah, RS parts are sex. The fron sight block and gas block are held in place by pins. G&G got that part right. I don't like screws because, they're screws, they're small screws, it's possible to loose small screws or mess up screw threads, and screwing can develop a bit of side to side motion. Pining in place makes stuff rock solid. Link to post Share on other sites
Kristoffer Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 WTF are you talking about, take one of the new Dboys metal M4's and compare the body to say a CYMA Ak or something with a VERY low grade metal and you can tell a huge difference between the 2 bodies. I'm no metal specialist that you claim to be but there are some very nice metal bodies coming from china right now. I own multiple airsoft and multiple real steel weopons including M4's and Saiga Ak's so I feel I can coment on the quality of the bodies, I assume you do as well since your making such claims about metal quality. Please feel free to explain to us all what constitutes pot metal? Pot metal is a generic name for a mix of aluminum and zink. The alloy is used because it is very easy to cast, compared to "pure" aluminum alloys, but also much weaker. You will NEVER see that in real guns, but all M4 airsoft bodies are made from this metal, except for the Dytac MUR, possibly the new Inokatsu M4 and the Madbull M4 bodies that are in development. The use of the word "Pot" seems to have 2 meanings: People used to cast different kinds of pots with it, but also that the procedure of making "pot metal" basically is taking whatever you have at hand, faulty casts, scrap, the toy cars your kid didn't want anymore etc. etc., mixing it in a melting pot without much care for what you actually put in there, so you never have the same mix, and there will be different amounts of impurities in the mix. In the end, you will never see how "good" pot metal is before it breaks. The alloy is used because it is relatively easy to cast with a pretty surface, the main problem with pot metal parts, is that it is very brittle, and often it will have internal defects that lead to cracking in strange places. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal Link to post Share on other sites
REVOA4 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Pot metal is a generic name for a mix of aluminum and zink. The alloy is used because it is very easy to cast, compared to "pure" aluminum alloys, but also much weaker. You will NEVER see that in real guns, but all M4 airsoft bodies are made from this metal, except for the Dytac MUR, possibly the new Inokatsu M4 and the Madbull M4 bodies that are in development. The use of the word "Pot" seems to have 2 meanings: People used to cast different kinds of pots with it, but also that the procedure of making "pot metal" basically is taking whatever you have at hand, faulty casts, scrap, the toy cars your kid didn't want anymore etc. etc., mixing it in a melting pot without much care for what you actually put in there, so you never have the same mix, and there will be different amounts of impurities in the mix. In the end, you will never see how "good" pot metal is before it breaks. The alloy is used because it is relatively easy to cast with a pretty surface, the main problem with pot metal parts, is that it is very brittle, and often it will have internal defects that lead to cracking in strange places. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal god damn you just broke it down! I've held some echo 1 AK's the metal feels like aluminum or just crappy, but other brands have much nicer metal like G&P. I'm assuming that different manufacturers have different qualities to the pot metal. I personally would find it hard to make such a claim unless your somehow involved with the actual plants in China during each batch receivers that is made. Or just talking out of your azz Link to post Share on other sites
TheKurodaVagrant Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I believe it is you who is talking out of your *albatross*. Do you know how clone guns can get their prices to be so low? Lack of R&D, lower employee salaries, and MATERIALS. Why would a company like Echo 1 make their guns out of machined or forged aluminum? It's way more expensive for them to do that, and they'd have only marginal gains from it. Back to AK discussion! A picture of my Inokatsu AKS-74 as retribution for this tangent: (Might be a repost, though, since I posted a few pics over the summer when I first took them) Link to post Share on other sites
GRIM! Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Looks hot Link to post Share on other sites
dookieboy Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Romy G "kit" built on an ND-ElementPOS reciever Grim spot the differences! I'll give you a cookie if you can spot more than 4. Link to post Share on other sites
GRIM! Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) If you mean difrenses from last time i gues u got it assembled But things id change is put on RS romy stock (ill give u a link were u can buy em cheap as hell if u PM) and change gasblock,bolt,front sight, but it still looks good Id altho personally sold this exept the pistolgrip and handguard and get a CYMA AKM they look pretty good for the cash Edited December 26, 2007 by GRIM! Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 WTF are you talking about, take one of the new Dboys metal M4's and compare the body to say a CYMA Ak or something with a VERY low grade metal and you can tell a huge difference between the 2 bodies. I'm no metal specialist that you claim to be but there are some very nice metal bodies coming from china right now. I own multiple airsoft and multiple real steel weopons including M4's and Saiga Ak's so I feel I can coment on the quality of the bodies, I assume you do as well since your making such claims about metal quality. Please feel free to explain to us all what constitutes pot metal? Kristofer summed it up. Just refer to his post if you have any questions. Link to post Share on other sites
dookieboy Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I DID fix the gas block but ya can't tell I guess lol. Need to putty up the holes, saw that front sight and bondo it, then I DO have a Romy stock just not quite finished putting it on as I am having a bit fo trouble with the pins... :/ Link to post Share on other sites
GRIM! Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hehe i still havent got my romy stock on my AKM either XD guess it will take all day to get it on nice Link to post Share on other sites
dookieboy Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Look at Comrade, he knows how to get it done... Were just lazy asses.. Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeMP1 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 lazy bodies, lol The pins are there, I'd suggest working around them and then finding a way to ware them down or cutting them. You'll have the pins look on the outside, for realism, but no pin in the way on the inside. I too haven't finished work on the stock, but I will when I get a battery. Link to post Share on other sites
iloveics Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Nice guns everyone. Dookie, get an AKM muzzle break pweeeese. It's cool though. Most metal parts for airsoft guns are "pot metal". I doubt the steel used on vfc / dboys / inokatsu etc is that great either. Link to post Share on other sites
The Crunchy Bunny Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Looks nice dookie.Once I get my CYMA AKM I'm going to be doing the same thing with the romy wood grips on my currently taken apart CM028S( which then will become a shorty Ak pistol ie barrel cut off to the gastube and old faux wood grips will be put back on) and mod the stock to fit as well. Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeMP1 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Steel used in Inokatsu high quality stuff. I miss my old Ino reciever Link to post Share on other sites
iloveics Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) Steel used in Inokatsu high quality stuff. I miss my old Ino reciever How do you know though? I'm not trying to stir up anything, or disprove anyone. I just wondered cos there are lots of different grades of steel etc EDIT: is the G&G body made of really bad pot metal or something, they have a tendency to snap. Edited December 26, 2007 by iloveics Link to post Share on other sites
The Crunchy Bunny Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 No, it's made of magnisium. I.E very soft, brittle, Flammable Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) Mild steel plate on all of the steel bodied ones the vfc and dboys are the general guage used for russian AKs the inos are .3mm thicker which is one or two guages up None of them are hardened as a real one would be theres no need on an airsoft gun. When it comes to handling alloys about all you can assess 'in the hand' is the quality of the surface finish Often covered by a coat of paint Relative weight of two otherwise identical sized parts might give you a clue to other qualities as would the raw unpainted surface where you get to see how dirty speckled it is but ultimately its going to take a fracture at least to give you any real idea of the alloys structure. The zinc to alluminium content will be more evident in the items machinability and polishability too but a real assesment of the composition isnt something your going to get a clue at with hand handling. ultimately when it comes to the pot metal castings used in airsoft guns all you're ever doing is grading different levels of *beep* Edited December 26, 2007 by snorkelman Link to post Share on other sites
GRIM! Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) Ive found out when i removed the metal end of the stock that it had a "hidden" cylinder hole over the hole you store cleaning kit n zhit, if you cut the space between you get a pretty good room for battery storage, prob need a custom battery if you want to cover the whole area but i guess some standard batterys fit pretty good if you are sick of putting the stick batterys on youre reciver. Heres a pic i did w my 1337 skills in paint XD Edited December 27, 2007 by GRIM! Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Anybody know the legality of gastubes in the uk? Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Ive seen them as part of deacts in unmangled form but strictly speaking I dont think you can legally buy/import them as an individual part. Best bet would be to have someone order one for you in the states and then set about the inside of it with an anglegrinder to turn it back into an airsoft style half tube under the upper handguard area Link to post Share on other sites
Hoppum Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Rusmil sells individual gastubes. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Anybody know the legality of gastubes in the uk? im 99% sure tubes are fine, but gas blocks arent. Link to post Share on other sites
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