alastairthegreat Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 well ive decided on the hfc vsr, problem is im not sure wether to go with gas or spring. i would be using it for mucking about mostly so it needs to look good and be reasonably accurate, im not too bothered about how much noise it makes (so long as its not deafening) the price difference isnt really a problem as long as i can see that its worth the difference. basically my 2 concerns with getting a gas gun are: 1) too high power, dont wanna hurt my mates 2) too costly on the gas. id probably be using predator ultra gas, unless theres a better alternative, so if anyone knows roughly how a gas would chrono on that then that would be a real help too. thanks ali Link to post Share on other sites
justjoe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 both are not cheap. Gas guns as cheaper to buy than upgrading a spring rifle, but cost alot in the long run and some say they are inconsistent with there power and accuracy. spring guns are expensive to upgrade, but the only after costs are ammo and the occasional part change. so overall spring guns are alot cheaper. gas rifles do have the benefit of no tug on the bolt and are very quiet compared to some spring powered rifles. the power can be changed on some rifles with the help of PCS and using different gas. If you can afford to pay out what £10 every say 3 games for gas then ammo ontop, then id say go for gas. if not, spring Link to post Share on other sites
The Chef Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The HFC will take green (read propane) no problem, so cost wise, its not all that expensive. Its not as consistent as a spring rifle. basically I have transferred the gas bolt from a HFC and stuck it in my VSR. there is a noticable consistency difference between my teflon cylinder and the gas cylinder. I shall get some definitive numbers once I have got my hands on some more ammo. But still, I say, get the gas one, and then just buy the snacky upgrade parts to convert it to spring powered as and when you need to. Best of both worlds. Link to post Share on other sites
scithe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 justjoe hit it on the spot. a gas one would be pretty inconsistent, costly, and if you ever pay in the cold... Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 looks like the springer it is thanks guys, i'll be ordering the wood saffect stock version from red wolf soon. what cheap upgrades would you suggest to do first?? (so i can order the bits at the same time ) Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 People keep telling me that gas snipers can be reliable but, after owning a KJW M700, I'd never buy another one. Spring bolties all the way for me. Link to post Share on other sites
justjoe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 From what ive read, they are completely compatable with TM after market parts, if i where you, i would buy a laylax 6.03mm barrel, and nineball hop rubber first. that way you have the accuracy side of things covered. FPS will be raised ever so slightly with these parts, but the accuracy will change quite dramaticly. if you are after higher fps, then many other parts are needed. if going to 328, nothing else is needed to get power, as a new spring will take you over that. pads for the cylinder head will make the rifle quieter but theres no point in having them if you are not intending to remove the plates on the piston giving the shock, as that alone creates a small amount of noise. these are the only internal upgrades really needed at 328fps, the rest are cosmetic and are down to personal prefference. Link to post Share on other sites
=J= Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Definately spring IMO. I cant be doing with the diminuishing power and cost of gas. As far as upgrades go, concentrate on accuracy. Removing the shock weights will give you a considerable boost in fps, up to around the mid 300s, for no cost! All you need then is some barrel spacers and a tightbore and youve got a great gun for messing around with! And if, later on, you decide you want to turn it into a more serious sniper it couldnt be easier to upgrade! Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 the hfc gas vsr is a clone of the vsr gas bolt which is a crappy version of the stupidest part ever concieved. cheap gas guns = garbage, get spring. Link to post Share on other sites
i~mack Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 after owning a gas AICS ... i would rather have a springer ... Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 after owning a gas AICS ... i would rather have a springer ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually i may have figured out whats wrong with yours, apparently there are "low power" L96's around, ment for import into japan, its possible that you got one. Still trying to sort what is different between the versions, pretty sure its a small obstruction inside the nozzle Link to post Share on other sites
i~mack Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 .. so i coulda got a duff rifle ... not what id expect to get from WGC spendin close to 400 on it ... Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 .. so i coulda got a duff rifle ... not what id expect to get from WGC spendin close to 400 on it ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> shine a light in the gas feedy part of the bolt and look down the nozzle, if there's an obstruction in there, your going to have to try to drill it out, or get the BGS nozzle set. Link to post Share on other sites
i~mack Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 i need a new mag first, was strippin it to sort it out cuz somethin was wrong when a BFG went off behind me. spring fired out the part that was supposed to hold it in and i couldnt find it. so if you know any mags that are goin cheapish .. lemme know ? Link to post Share on other sites
Dist Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 ouch, loosing part of a mag, that sux, especialy with the price they sell for. Not sure what part your talking about as i havnt taken my mag apart, but could the part be replaced with one of them plunger kits or something? if so, may be cheaper to buy a plunger kit then a whole new mag. Link to post Share on other sites
i~mack Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 nope, it holds the spring in (where you load the BB's) at the bottom, held in by a little allen bolt, and sides above the bottom plate. bit of a bummer really ... http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...topic=86378&hl= shows the part i lost Link to post Share on other sites
1chickenofdoom Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I would go with gas for the semi-auto! Springs are fairly annoying in the reason that you can be locked on someone, miss the shot, and have to pull the spring back and totally re-locate the target (sure i doesn't take that long but it's annoying like i said) Link to post Share on other sites
geeza-sqeeza Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 ok basicly if you have the problem with gas costing alot then..get a ai adapter from canada....ive heard from people that it is REALY worth it...£6.50 will last around 50 full mags from my mates sig...and a £10 ''green gas'' bottle from a airsoft shop will last about 15-20 note:propane IS green gas scientificly proven pm me if you want to know the adress from where to get the adapter from...and also you can get propane bottles from loads of places like B&Q plummers shop...etc....and the propane adapter is only $40 usd including ultra light silicone oil Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 No contest, spring power for better consistancy in all weathers. Anyway methinks the masses have spoken Link to post Share on other sites
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