blak Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Looking through forums and such I came across a nice "bang for the buck" bb that I was looking for. Airsoft Elites. (I've been using Systemas but I can't find any comparative reviews between these and AEs, so I want to try AEs assuming that they are better) I'm wielding an anniversary edition ICS M4 with the upgraded gears and m120 spring. I added a 6.035 tighbore barrel with teflon coated inside. Should I buy .2g bbs or .25g bbs? How much of a difference in range will I get? Is the difference in accuracy worth it? Right now I have a 1.5-6x40 scope. which means I hit pretty accurately with the systema bbs I've been using seeing as how I can see the bb exactly where it goes as it starts to drop and become innacurate. So again, which should I use? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 M120 is above forum limits I think. Any way, .25's are almost always better than .20's, so get the .25's. The difference in range (~ 5 feet) is well worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Marine47 Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 It's really a personal preference, with your set up i'd use .25's, you won't lose a lot of range and your shots will be way more consistant. Link to post Share on other sites
Hustie Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I use .25's only in my guns, including a stock WA pistol and a stock TM AEG. I get way better performance with them, plus I don't have to buy two weights of BB's. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 With an M120 spring you'll be using the gun at medium to long ranges, right? Definately 0.25s then. Link to post Share on other sites
Silent_Assassin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 With an M120 spring you'll be using the gun at medium to long ranges, right? Definately 0.25s then. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What distance would you consider the ranges to be? 0m-20m is short range and any sniper shooting that close should be strung up. Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Sorry! Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Even sorrier! Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I never use .2s....25s travel further, hit harder, and are more accurate in anything shooting as a hard as a stock GBB or greater. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 What distance would you consider the ranges to be? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pretty much what you said. Keep the 0.2s for CQB and shoot em out of a gun firing <1j and without a 6x40 scope on. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 It's really a personal preference, with your set up i'd use .25's, you won't lose a lot of range and your shots will be way more consistant. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure you meant he won't gain a lot of range. Because that's what heavier BBs do, although not much. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 How do you gain range with a heavier bb? I would think that because the bb moves slower it takes longer to arrive at its maximum destination so there fore falls sooner, unless the weight is countered by hop up completely. Link to post Share on other sites
cllwayzata2011 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 How do you gain range with a heavier bb? I would think that because the bb moves slower it takes longer to arrive at its maximum destination so there fore falls sooner, unless the weight is countered by hop up completely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, heavier bb's have more momentum because of the heavier weight which carries them as far if not further than lighter bb's. Link to post Share on other sites
Marine47 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 no, we're not getting into bb balistics again, if you wanna know why use the search butten. Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 no, we're not getting into bb balistics again, if you wanna know why use the search butten. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> +1 Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 What do you mean by again? I looked at the comparison article at the top of the page and have come to the conclusion that it's too complicated to have a simple answer. I'll stick with .20's for their cheapness. If and when I need accuracy, I'll get separate bb's for each gun. So this also means that the topic starter will be better off with even heavier bb's? Link to post Share on other sites
Marine47 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Glenn- haha thank you for that rep. ChrisNorthInGer- As i stated previously ^^ it's a personal preference what bb's you want to use. I use .20's in my m4 all the time because they're cheaper and work fine, i use .25's when I want some more accuracy, just like you said. edit: spelling. Link to post Share on other sites
cllwayzata2011 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 What do you mean by again? I looked at the comparison article at the top of the page and have come to the conclusion that it's too complicated to have a simple answer. I'll stick with .20's for their cheapness. If and when I need accuracy, I'll get separate bb's for each gun. So this also means that the topic starter will be better off with even heavier bb's? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Heavy spring and Heavy bbs= increased long range accuracy but less FPS Heavy spring and lighter bbs=Average long range accuracy but more FPS Either way, they carry the same muzzle Energy (X Joules) Same with lighter springs ect. Thanks Glenn. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 How do you gain range with a heavier bb? I would think that because the bb moves slower it takes longer to arrive at its maximum destination so there fore falls sooner, unless the weight is countered by hop up completely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The BBs start slowing down as soon as they leave the barrel. The faster and lighter BB loses the velocity sooner. In a 1 Joule gun, a .25 g BB overtakes a .20 g BB at 10 metres. Anything farther away than that, the heavier one gets there sooner and more accurately, and travels a longer distance. Search if you want more details. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Heavy Spring+ Heavy bb's=Improved Long Range Accuracy, loss of fps (but same energy) Medium/Light/Stock spring+.20's= Higher FPS (note still same energy), decreased long range accuracy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is poo. Stock spring = Stock energy Heavier spring = more energy Lighter spring = less energy Energy comes from the spring, the BB mass is irrelevant. Lighter BBs go faster, heavier BBs go slower, energy stays the same. Link to post Share on other sites
cllwayzata2011 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yeah I messed up what I was saying, thanks for noting that. I meant to say that with the same spring, a heavy bb and a light bb will have the same energy. EDIT: I changed it in the original post. Link to post Share on other sites
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