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Nice blasters QDR, 1st Commando, and jdizzle.
How solid are the UBR's when extended? I want to get one for a 6.8 AR for hunting and was wondering if it was solid enough to not effect accuracy.
It's built like a tank so its damn sturdy at any length. You should probably ask someone at ar15.com which buffer spring to use though; I know the .308 needs something special and I don't know where the 6.8 lies between the .223 and .308.
Cheers.
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Damn.... Well at least that saves me money
Also, what outer barrel are you using on that beautiful gun of yours? Thanks for the help BTW... I am on the fence about a Magpul AR-15 DMR project, and you've sold me on the PRS Now to make another gun or not 
Haha not a problem... I like trying to help where I can. On my GR16, its just the stock 14.25" Magnesium barrel that I polished with sand paper and a dremel. The GR16 SBR has a 10.25" ECHO1 steel barrel.
When removing my triangle gas block, I tore the *suitcase* out of my barrel. Little did I know that there is a little hex screw that put pressure on the barrel so I just decided to sand off the finish. Figure it'd look like a match barrel and I got lucky that it turned out that way. Still need to hit it with something to smooth it out some more. Aaannnddd I need to get a low profile GB
Some the 'hard to sand' areas have some keft over finish which makes the barrel look more used. As for the PRS, well good choice. Its a fine stock and I think you'll really enjoy it.
Cheers.
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The simple fact is the UBR was designed for real steel cheek weld and really only that. Since this isn't even remotely necessary in airsoft the functionality of a fixed and non-moving cheek weld, ensuring unchanged eye relief, and sustained accuracy is completely lost to us air-softers, unless you go w/ it for real steel too and you use airsoft as a cheap way to better your CQB combat skills.
Haha I don't buy that. The cheek weld on the UBR is almost identical to that of the CTR. Whether using the UBR on an AEG or AR15 is almost irrelevant - recoil on the ar15 is not that much and, more importantly, your face should never move relative to the stock/upper your body. In addition, the CTR has more pieces available to get the same improved cheek weld that was used on the UBR. I shoot my AEG in the same manner that I shoot my AR15 and I believe the cheek weld to be just as important (if not moreso given the wider range of targets).
I hate to call it eye candy, but I think it sits with the CAA stocks that just look cool but don't really add anything.
my $.02
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I definitely prefer the look of the UBR without the compartment doors in place. From what you've described, it sounds like the UBR isn't much better than the Magpul M93 Stock.
Exactly. The M93 was like the beta version of the UBR... Magpul is now trading M93Bs for the new UBRs. Damn shame too. Oh well, they have something new on the horizon called the ACS I think.
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@ Renegade:
Why do you dislike the UBR? I was reading various stuffs about it on the Real Steel forums like AR-15, etc and they were all raving about how awesome it was, yet you call it a mere novelty and say ya like the CTR more?
Could you possibly elaborate? Thanks!
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, the UBR is cool. Cool enough that I didn't want to sell it and the mounting gear for offers cerca $350 (paid $250 for the UBR). At AR15.com, Magpul and LaRue gear is awesome regardless of its effectiveness. Granted, both companies have done a phenominal job with their parts but people are far less than objective. That said, the people who claim to love the UBR more than likely have never actually run around with it shouldered... Shooting at the range and shooting in the field (at least as close as milsim airsoft will let it get) are totally experiences. Just like there are chairsofters here, arfcom has couch commandos who would rather invest in a $1500 ACOG than a little training in using their iron sights.
The UBR collapses to about the length of the CTR and extends, again, to about the same length. Its not particularily ergonomic and the storage doors aren't useful either... Figure anything you want to put in there either will a) not fit; or
rattle until you get ###### off enough to throw the contents on the ground. In addition, the increased size/bulk adds to the weight but not in a manner that I can positively debate. In the case of the PRS, the weight helps balance the rifle/aeg in a fashion that allows more precision shooting (+1 for a precision stock) and is, more importantly, a concequence of its awesome ergonomics. The UBR, however, does not provide me or any of my buddies with a similar feeling. The extra bulk can't reasoned, either. This is where I draw the conclusion that the UBR is kinda a median between the CTR and PRS. The PRS is pricy and very bulky (dubbed the Magpul Brick) but very comfortable and adjustable. The CTR is like a new and improved collapsable stock with a better cheek weld and lighter. However, it doesn't have any additional adjustability (understandable as far as making it lightweight, utilitarian, and cost effective). The UBR kinda takes on all the negative aspects of the CTR and PRS given that its bulky, rather heavy, not too comfortable, and very pricy. In the pro column is the notion that its collapsable, provides a good cheek weld, and has some storage (weak, but still a pro).So yeah, it looks awesome. In fact, it looks so awesome that the form overshadows the poor function. Again, I'm not above having it installed because of how novel it is but I doubt I'll ever bring it to a game above my PRS or CTR.
I hope that clears up a few things... Lemme know if there is something I can clarify.
Cheers.
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To QD renegade or Jumper, (since you two are the only posters I've seen mention the UBR...) what [if any] modifications were necessary to fit it?
Based on retail pictures I've found, it looks like the stock itself is threaded. [e.g.- integrated buffer tube?]
How did you/are you getting around this? Or am I mistaken?
You're kinda wrong - but only on one thing. The stock is not threaded, but it does ship with a somewhat proprietary length receiver extension. Its labeled as 'carbine' length meaning the user also needs a 'carbine' length light/medium/heavy spring since the collapsable and A2 lengths will not work. I say its proprietary because I cannot think of another stock that uses the same length receiver extension (maybe the 416 shorty or CAA SRS) but other manufacturers do make the springs. In regards to airsoft: The stock mounts like an A2 and needs the same hardware (short of a different size receiver extension). I used a Magpul PTS Stock Adaptor (about $30) which will allow any real A2 length stock to be attached to a typical AEG. I then cut about 2.25" from the receiver extension to make the suitable for the UBR (two cuts to remove 2.25" of the middle material) - its easy from there. At one point, though, I did have to grind a little corner from the UBR's mount and a lot from the AEG sling adaptor but I think that may just be the G&G sling adaptor.
Here you can see the different lengths needed for the PRS and UBR. You'll have ot pardon the *suitcasey* photo.
I'll try to reshoot better photos showcasing the install process after I get done with class. All in all its very straight forward unless some grinding is required.
Cheers.
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Wow! The style in that first picture is just freakin gorgeous!
Could we get a parts list?
Thanks! Can't get anything better in my apartment when it rains!
Sweet! Is that a short SPR front?Also curious about that frontend.It looks like a Patriot Ordnance P-9X rail.Its a Patriot Ordinance P9X. Since getting my P12X, I've been in love with the predator series such that an SBR had to be on the menu at some point. I've taken the photos of the install procedure but I still need to write it up too. I replaced the standard 14.25" outer barrel with a 10.5" and then dremelled the inner barrel to match.
GR16 SBR:
POF P9X
Magpul MOE Stock
Magpul MIAD
Troy Folding Battlesights
G&P ChinEO-Tech 551
Tango Down VFG
Madbull Licensed Gemtech G5 suppressor
Echo 1 10.5" Outer Barrel
With the added parts, the SBR is still lighter than the stock GR16. Definately happy with how it turned out though I still need to snag better photos. Cheers. Heres the family as it stands:
Next up is an SPR to but my Magpul PRS to use. Shame POF doesn't make 16.5" rails
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SBR is all set. Buddy is thinkin M203 though.
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Interesting... not sure how I feel about the carry handle. I think a LaRue Tactical rear BUIS would be very complimentary to that rifle.
Aye. It doesn't tickle me much either but it sure is a different animal when compared to the Troy BUIS. I did the small iron sights thing before and I just don't see the point unless I decide to go back to optics. I only wish there was a scope or mount that doubled as a carry handle like in the case of the G36/XM8.
Its amazing how something as simple as a bloody carry handle can change the overall look of an entire rifle/AEG. I'll take a look at the LT BUIS but I'd imagine getting something like the RRA Defender first. I suppose making something with a 12" rail look like an M16 just doesn't work visually.
@usmc - Do you choose FDE for a specific reason? Do you find any benefits or is it a novelty kinda thing (not bashing either (hell I wont sell my UBR for the sake of it being a novelty despite liking my CTR more))
Cheers
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Wanted to try something new.
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That looks absolutely AMAZING. Where did you get that rail system?
Thanks. Its a Patriot Ordinance Factory Predator Rail (bolded the company name so it didnt run together). Both the AEG on top and bottom are sporting one of the series - The P12X and P9X respectively. I chose the Predator series because the inner diameter is designed to house a piston gas system which means it's larger than most other AR15 rails... Just large enough to house a nun-chuk battery. The P12X will run you $285 and the P9X will be around $245 straight from the manufacturer. I do not know of any retailers that have them in stock since POF is working quickly to fill orders on their rifle builds and resellers on eBay and the likes usually sell their parts very fast.
The overall look of the SBR should be like the following with the addition of a CTR in place of the standard stock:
I need to put the UBR on one of the AEGs too. No sense having it in a bucket.
Cheers.
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All your page 40....
Building a POF SBR for a buddy. CTR and 10.5" barrel should be here by week's end. By battle rifle needed a smaller counterpart anyhow
After this: CQC M4 with 7" POF rail. Hehe.
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Absolutely. I dunno if you have the parts, but an SL8 top rail with an EOtech 553 and some folding BUIS might be real slick. Top it off with a KAC or Tango Down (or clone) vertical fore grip
A black flash suppressor would go a long ways as well. I'd sure like to see how that combo works out if possible. -
Well put, I somewhat agree. At first I didn't particularly like these model either, but they grew on me. The way I see it, it's kind of like when a good friend of yours get glasses or braces put on. It takes getting used to at first, because you're used to seeing them a certain way.
Hmm. Braces and glasses seem to be more astetic than stocks... I believe that replacing a G36 stock with that of an Armalite is more like changing the legs of your friend with those of a horse. That might be a bit harder to get used to!
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From a design standpoint, youre crossing two totally different animals. Magpul stuff (the PRS and M93B and PMAG, in your case) is utilitarian and scaled (designed) for the likes of an M4. In that sense, the Magpul stuff makes the M4 look more rugged without changing the proportions of the rifle. The G36, however, is more of a sleek (almost sci-fi) looking firearm.... The bulkiness of both stocks (and their size compared to the G36) just doesnt mix.
It's kinda like putting a Porsche's whale-tail wing on a Lamborghini Murcielago... Functionally, both are great assets; visually, they just dont make a pleasing mix. I think G36 stocks are best suited for the G36. Same goes for Armalites. Imho the G36 needs sleek parts to keep its sleek appeal.
Compare the PRS on this to this. See, in the second photo, how the PRS looks like it just belongs? The lines flow naturally (no doubt one requirement of the PRS design) using both the stock and rifle's appeal together.
From a functionality standpoint, those would be interesting setups to try
Just my $.02
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Had a few photos laying around my hard drive. A two are pretty old but haven't seen the light of the internet yet.
Cheers.
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Mounted and ready to go.
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Those PMAGs seem to make anything sexy now. But one in a barrel-less GR16 and wanted to use just that!
Are those the mid-caps? If so, how well do you like them?
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Sorry for this, but I can't edit posts in this topic. I dont know if its something the admin set or if its just a problem on my end, but I need to fix the links.
Cheers.
I'll add a +1 to Brownells too. Damn good service, almost unmatched.Well, finally got something smaller to replace my Surefure M4D and got that all wrapped up in a Vltor package. STAR pmags came in too... they're significantly better than the STAR usgi magazines. Hell, I'll end up using them over my metal magazines too. Its all set up for some woodland combat this week using an M120. The supressor is excessively heavy though so I doubt I'll be toting that for too long without the bipod.
Dressed up for dancing:
And by 'dancing' I mean shooting opponents from as far away as an M130 will allow.
Reports of how the STARPUL PMAGs work will come this weekend. So far there arent any feeding problems though the twenty-rounders will only pack to 22 meaning that I can only get 18 or 19 shots from them.
Shininess aside, they're surprisingly accurate though they will never weigh the same as a PMAG loaded with 5.56mm rounds. Also gotta love the silence that comes with real-cap magazines.
Cheers.
Thanks for the kind words so far!Digging through my email I found the email quote from WGC:
GP-FL-507A G&P 12R Rechargeable Flashlight @ $70.50
GP-ACC-658 G&P A.I. Pressure Switch @ $26.00
Came with the light, a tail switch, tape switch ($26), 3 rechargable batteries, and a charger. Here is the installation:
As for how it compares... I'll answer that with photos. The Surefire M4 Devastator (MSRP $350 with 350 Lumen lamp) is on the right with the G&P 12R ($70 with 325 lumen lamp) on the left. Both are using Surefire C123 batteries. Both sets of batteries are brand new. The photos will not show their brightness since my camera automatically adapts due to the over-exposed spots, but you can see just how similar they are up close and at a distance (about 90 feet). Again, the Surefire M4D is on the right and the 12R is on the left. The 12R has the whiter light as well.
As you can see, the Surefire M4D doesn't really have anything placing it ahead of the G&P 12R. Given that there is a lot of ambient light in the city and my apartment, you may get a taste for just how bright both lights are. Shine someone at night and they'll be seeing spots at best. Given the 12R's smaller size, though, it makes for a far superior weapon mounted light. Its also weighs significantly less though it no doubt is made of a weaker material than the Surefire M4D. In the end though, for 25% the price, you get the same power (unnoticable difference short of the whiter color) in a smaller package. Using decent C123's. The rechargable ones are dead atm so I cannot get photos of the light with'em.
It's a novelty but just that. If it weren't for there being only one other AEG out there with a UBR (that I know of, at least), Id sell mine in a heartbeat. Its kinda the middleground between the PRS and CTR both in weight and functionality. That is to say that its a slightly adjustable brick. Sure it adds a certain flair, but I think you'd find that the money could be spent in better ways.
The STARPUL PMAGs work very well. I have not skirmished with them yet so I cannot speak of them to that level though. With only 30 shots in them though, high RPM players may find them rather small. The FDE ones do look interesting though... I may ask one of the gentlemen at Ebaybanned to toss in an FDE PMAG with the next 5 that I order.
Cheers people! If you have questions, let 'em loose.
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QD, have you tried the pmag in a stock TM m4? I heard they don't fit or feed very badly.
Sorry... I only have four GR16's. They work fine in all of em. One thing I'll recommend is the use of Breakfree CLP... Its the best lubricant that I've ever used and now it goes in and on all my real steel and airsoft firearms. I shot some of that into the magazines before I even played with em so that could be the difference.
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Thanks for the kind words so far!
QD renegade, what light have you got on your gun? you say you replaced a Surefire M4D with this? How do the two lights compare?Digging through my email I found the email quote from WGC:
GP-FL-507A G&P 12R Rechargeable Flashlight @ $70.50
GP-ACC-658 G&P A.I. Pressure Switch @ $26.00
Came with the light, a tail switch, tape switch ($26), 3 rechargable batteries, and a charger. Here is the installation:
As for how it compares... I'll answer that with photos. The Surefire M4 Devastator (MSRP $350 with 350 Lumen lamp) is on the right with the G&P 12R ($70 with 325 lumen lamp) on the left. Both are using Surefire C123 batteries. Both sets of batteries are brand new. The photos will not show their brightness since my camera automatically adapts due to the over-exposed spots, but you can see just how similar they are up close and at a distance (about 90 feet). Again, the Surefire M4D is on the right and the 12R is on the left. The 12R has the whiter light as well.
As you can see, the Surefire M4D doesn't really have anything placing it ahead of the G&P 12R. Given that there is a lot of ambient light in the city and my apartment, you may get a taste for just how bright both lights are. Shine someone at night and they'll be seeing spots at best. Given the 12R's smaller size, though, it makes for a far superior weapon mounted light. Its also weighs significantly less though it no doubt is made of a weaker material than the Surefire M4D. In the end though, for 25% the price, you get the same power (unnoticable difference short of the whiter color) in a smaller package. Using decent C123's. The rechargable ones are dead atm so I cannot get photos of the light with'em.
LOL... when the UBRs come out in FDE I may crack and buy one. I'm just trying not to spend any more money on the rifle. This was supposed to be a "not too expensive" rifle that was based around the FDE Magpul Body. As parts were bought the cost of the rifle just kinda exploded (most because I went with RS parts wherever possible). Buying a UBR would send the final price of the gun over $2000 (including the RDS Optic)...It's a novelty but just that. If it weren't for there being only one other AEG out there with a UBR (that I know of, at least), Id sell mine in a heartbeat. Its kinda the middleground between the PRS and CTR both in weight and functionality. That is to say that its a slightly adjustable brick. Sure it adds a certain flair, but I think you'd find that the money could be spent in better ways.
The STARPUL PMAGs work very well. I have not skirmished with them yet so I cannot speak of them to that level though. With only 30 shots in them though, high RPM players may find them rather small. The FDE ones do look interesting though... I may ask one of the gentlemen at Ebaybanned to toss in an FDE PMAG with the next 5 that I order.
Cheers people! If you have questions, let 'em loose.
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I'll add a +1 to Brownells too. Damn good service, almost unmatched.
Well, finally got something smaller to replace my Surefure M4D and got that all wrapped up in a Vltor package. STAR pmags came in too... they're significantly better than the STAR usgi magazines. Hell, I'll end up using them over my metal magazines too. Its all set up for some woodland combat this week using an M120. The supressor is excessively heavy though so I doubt I'll be toting that for too long without the bipod.
Dressed up for dancing:
And by 'dancing' I mean shooting opponents from as far away as an M130 will allow.
Reports of how the STARPUL PMAGs work will come this weekend. So far there arent any feeding problems though the twenty-rounders will only pack to 22 meaning that I can only get 18 or 19 shots from them.
Shininess aside, they're surprisingly accurate though they will never weigh the same as a PMAG loaded with 5.56mm rounds. Also gotta love the silence that comes with real-cap magazines.
Cheers.
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Thanks a bunch. I've got my eye on the IR version, sounds cool. Another thing to ask for in my stocking
You got night vision to use it? IR lasers and lights are and bad at the same time; you need night vision to see the light.
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Very nice Renegade, really diggin' that Glock. Is the GTL21 the tac light? Not too familiar with it. If so, how much would that run me to buy one? Either way, nice gun.
Yessir. Listed on Glock's official site, the GTL has three different combos with dimming dimming variants. The GTL10/11 is a single lamp. The GTL21/22 (I have the 21) is the combo lamp and red visible laser. The GTL 51/52 is Lamp, laser, IR lamp, and IR laser. The setup is great since it uses ambidexterous roll switches to turn the light/laser (or both) on and off. I believe I picked mine up for a mere $160 but the only listing on ebay has it at $255. Looks like it'd run you $225 on cheaper than dirt as well as some other similar retailers. Dayum, didnt expect this thing to appreciate so much
Its definately a step up between all the lasers I have. This and my Laser-Max Uni-Max are the best, but the Uni-Max also retails for about $150. Makes for a great low profile AEG laser though, I often forget its right by my hand!
And thanks! I definately like the clean look of my GLock now. I decided that I'll never paint anything I can't replace for $10 since I dont have the equipment/attention span to do it right. That said, I think its in a complete stage.
The following are links to photos of the GTL21. My photos dont really show it, so yeah...
http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/grap...0001/GTL21B.jpg
http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/grap...00001/GTL21.jpg
http://teamglock.com/Merchant2/graphics/00...680%20large.jpg
Cheers.
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