late2wake Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 This is an experience with a member on arnies by the name of Jwbehm. I recently made a paypal transaction of $290 shipped with him for a Tokyo Marui M4A1 with a hurricane marine metal body, no mags or battery, and a Redwolf level 3 upgrade kit (gears, bearings, bushing, piston, and 400 fps spring). It was also supposed to come with a Systema Tightbore barrel. I recieved the gun at a reasonable shipping time, just before Christmas. I opened up the box, grabbed a battery, and proceeded to inspect the new gun. The nub on the selector switch to make the "click" noise was gone, and the dust cover would not close. The gun was connected to the battery, and the gun worked. Sounded whinier than usual, as if the shimming was too tight. I proceeded to inspect the gun futher, and discovered that one of the tabs for the metal body had been filed off. Continued to inside the gear box, and I found: stock TM piston, systema 120 spring, area 1000 bushings, metal piston head, original ratio gears and one bearing (singular, not a pair). The cylinder seemed like it had been exposed to a lot of moisture for only two games as noted here in a AIM conversation. "1:19:19 PM ei9htzer0: ever since you've had it, you hadn't touched it from redwolf? 1:20:00 PM behmcwb06: oh i used it in a skirmish or two, i said that" For two games, the TM piston seems pretty chewed up, let alone, an upgraded piston was not even present. Upon futher inspection, and the noticable pattern that the gun had not fit the description, I had went ahead to compare my p90 BS barrel with the barrel inside the gun. One on top is a systema BS barrel for a P90. The second one is the TM M4A1 barrel from Jwbehm's gun, and the third one is a Tm M4A1 barrel that I had laying around from another TM M4. Because of the piston, I requested $20 for a replacement, and an extra $10 for the broken tab. I have received $20 back to replace the piston; however, I have yet to see the extra $10. In addition, I requested an additional $20 for the missing barrel, and was called a liar thereafter in a PM assuming that I am merely taking worn/broken parts from another collection. PM from Jwbehm: The barrel is a systema, as seen here And, for all i know, you are just finding old used parts on your work bench and trying to *badgeress* more money out of me. That piston could have just been sitting in your work bench from other guns you upgraded for all i know. Picture of the barrel from systema's site. That is what I refered to when i compared barrels, in addition to the one I had on hand. There are also some concerns regarding on how to tell if a systema barrel is indeed a BS barrel. With the photo of the barrels above, the P90 obviously has been cut straight, versus the other barrels that reflect light in a parabolic fashion. If there is any input regarding the differences in the barrel, I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can clear that up. Please note I did receive $20, indicating some remorse (that's a positive thing) I can understand how one may feel that I am cheating someone out of money, however, I personally would not take such lengths in a public forum to scam another person out of $50. I have no legal leverage to have Jwbehm surrender any funds; however, I do have this information for others to be careful regarding Jwbehm's descriptions in his guns. Although the work had been done by Redwolf, supposively, I still feel that any item sold should be accurately described for sale so that the next person can accurately gauge how much interest they have in a product. If they can't do so accurately, then I feel that it should be expected that if items are missing or damaged upon arrival, then the item should be replaced, or some compesenation to be arranged. If you have any questions regarding my buyer's experience with Jwbehm, feel free to PM me. Note that I personally have no problem with Jwbehm, as the actual experience wasn't bad, only with the item he sold (missing parts). This topic is here so that it may be resolved by me receiving the remaining I requested. If it is declined futher, then I'll simply post my experiences and move on. Edit: As of today, I have not received the metal flash hider that was supposed to ship with the gun. It will be updated as soon as I do. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 HOLY *beep* THAT IS THE CA I SOLD HIM!!! I KNEW HE WAS A BAD GUY! They are causing me hell saying I sent them bad guns when they are the ones who messed them up! EDIT: I think the internals are different but thats the body and carry handle... and my ca didnt have a flash hider! Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I do know Jwbehm, he plays at the same field I do and we currently went in on buying 2 other guns from this forum together (from clmwrx which wasn't a positive epxerience btw). I know that he has no experience taking apart guns (he always has the local gun tech work on his guns when they are broken, as do I) so it was not intentional if parts were missing from the gearbox. I also know that the gun had only been used at 2 of the games. But I think Jwbehm is a great person to deal with, we have done transactions together so I am sure everything will be worked out. EDIT: Clmwx, that is not the f*ucked up M15 you sold him. You can verify this by asking Late to Wake when he recieved the gun which was long before you even shipped the M15 you sold him. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 He swapped parts and the body on the gun and blamed me for it. He is triyng to get double money buy scamming you and trying to get money from me! I will take legal action if anymore problems occur! Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I have sent the money he requested besides the Systema Barrel, seems like a dud from Redwolf to me. The flashhider and a Blackhawk Sling that i forgot to send originally have been sent First class mail (quite a while ago actually) Unless I see overwhelming evidence that the barrel is not Systema, I am finished with this transaction. EDIT Clmwrx's gun was received by me on December 27th. I was out of town (in Utah) until December 30th, so the package was in the post office waiting for me to pick it up until then. LatetoWake said his TM M4 was received December 24th. . .. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 If your going to say that then I will say the same for ours. It is finished all the guns I sent to you were as promised your just trying to get your money back Link to post Share on other sites
XpDi Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I will start a thread of our own clmwrx after Jwbehm and i get pics of how the guns are messed up. Quit spamming this thread, which it looks like you have a tendancy to do. Edited for spelling. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Please exscuse the above posts for now. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 The original gearbox is a TM one I recieved from Jwbehm. I hope my thread seemed fair, and not out lashing. Xpdi, thank you for confirming that. We're working it through; however, with the photos provided, I wish for someone to confirm the differences between systema BS barrels and stock TM barrels. There's a conflict of information from UnCo, systema, and other websites showing similar barrels, but with a gradiant shadow - to me indicating that it's a TM barrel. Were there previous productions where it was made like that, or has it always been the case where the notches were cut straight for BS barrels? Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Another difference between systema and TM barrels. Systema P90 BS barrel and TM m4 stock barrel. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 With the post above, I'm still very convinced that the barrel I had recieved is a stock TM barrel. Other than that, I'm not sure how I may put it to convince you, or others. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Is the one on the right the barrel under question? Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 correct. Link to post Share on other sites
clmwrx Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Looks like a stock one to me.... Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'm still requesting and awaiting a response from Jwbehm regarding the barrel issue. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 received flash hider + sling. I'm still awaiting a response regarding the inner barrel. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Let it be known that I PM'd Jwbehm regarding this thread requesting a response a few days ago. It's obvious that he's still logging on; however, a post here, or a reply to my PM is not evident. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbehm Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I still havent had anyone confirm the differences of the two. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/jwb...rrelsystema.jpg That is a picture of UNCo's Systema barrel, and mine. I see no difference. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 I just supplied a picture of the two end barrels. The systema ones you can see is more tappered on the edges than the one on the right (your stock M4 TM barrel.) It clearly shows a difference, and I don't see otherwise, how one can deny it. Link to post Share on other sites
late2wake Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Jwbehm and I have come to a resolution. Please relocate this thread to resolved matters. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
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