Clastyclay Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Hi there, I want a FM-Glock with high performance. But I only have these options: Valve: Laylax nine ball hi flow valve, rocket valve, Guarder hi output valve Spring guide: guarder improoved recoil spring and guide Hurricane power up kit Metal slide: g&p metal slide set ... but I have read, that G&P has problems with rust (on the spring guide) Now it is a bit difficult to name the correct metal slide ... it calls "new g17 metal slide" ... it is light weight. I already asked the retailer, what the manufacture could be. Let's see ... but what I know from replies in past ... I don't think, that they could tell me the corresponding information. Link to post Share on other sites
Wai Hoong Chan Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 The Hurricane power up kit should come with a high flow valve and improved spring guide, no? If the nine ball ones are the blue valves, they don't get along at all well with green gas...(!) A rocket valve is designed to replace the stock plastic part in the blowback mech with a more durable metal one. Im unsure if they increase performance though? No experience with slides sorry Edit: I've personally used the Hurricane upgrade kit before, the rocket valve in that is rubbish and the hammer spring is not worth the effort. The mag valve and recoil assembly are pretty good though. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 If the nine ball ones are the blue valves, they don't get along at all well with green gas...(!) It it the red one ... with two metal balls ... this valve is the most expensive valve in the shop A rocket valve is designed to replace the stock plastic part in the blowback mech with a more durable metal one. So it sit's into the gun? I thought, it would be for the magazine only. Edit: I've personally used the Hurricane upgrade kit before, the rocket valve in that is rubbish and the hammer spring is not worth the effort. The mag valve and recoil assembly are pretty good though. Alright. So I wouldn't get this one, because it is quiet expensive. It seems, that I can only get the red nine ball valve ... can someone tell me, if it is any good? Also I will get the Guarder recoil spring/guide ... Link to post Share on other sites
chris u'5 Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 In regards to a slide you want to get the Creation slide, its really hard to find these days but it is the best available. The next best option is the Shooters Design slides which can usually be found at Den Trinity. With the SD slides though you have to use the rear sight that comes with the slide and you will not be able to use the original rear sight or a 'real steel' rear sight. The G&P slide is cheap but it isn't great quality. The trades are usually squint and it doesn't look too good. Its the same with everything though, you get what you pay for! Oh yeah...don't get a slide with white trades, they look *beep*! Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Creations slide is out of stock everywhere ... The shooters design slide is a G17C Slide, right? I can not see a rear sight on the pic at uncompany ... Is it really not possible to use a real steel rear sight? Could you check this: http://www.safarasoftair.com/product_info....products_id=883 Which manufacture could it be? Link to post Share on other sites
Wai Hoong Chan Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 No idea if the red valves are designed to take green? The Hurricane kit is still good value in my opinion, as the hiflow valve is good for green and the recoil spring is stonger with the added bonus of a metal guiding rod. Keep in mind that Hurricane also sell their high flow valves individually... you can try using the stock recoil spring first. If it feels a bit slow after your metal slide upgrade, go for an improved one then Yep anything called 'rocket valve' is an internal gun part, they're not hard to install, but as I said before, I've no idea if there's any performance gain Link to post Share on other sites
chris u'5 Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Den Trinity stock both a 17C and the normal 17. Unfortunately you cant use a real sight with SD slides. The slide you linked to is probably some kind of Chinese maker, personally I would avoid it. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I will only order from Uncompany. Which sights can I use with the SD slide? I want metal sights ... is there a way to get it without any modifications? Ok. I looked for other spring guides and valves: Guides: Zenith, Guarder, King Arms Valves: PGC, Hurricane, Action Which would be the best option? Link to post Share on other sites
evo12 Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Shooters Design is the best quality. It is CNC machined compared to cast like other brands. Hurricane kit is great all around. I'm partial to RCC springs but Hurricane will get the job done. Link to post Share on other sites
hkssr20det Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 BoomArms slides are the best around (for the KSC Glock series), followed closely by Shooters Design. For the KSC Glock 17, the Nine Ball valve should be blue. Red Nine Ball valves are for TM guns. Be sure you are choosing one made for the KSC not the TM. The best valves on a chrono for green gas use are PGC. Hurricane valves do not increase FPS. The Hurricane tune up kit is a waste of money. I say buy a Guarder recoil spring, PGC Valve, BoomArms slide. Best combo out there right now. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Alright ... two members ... two different opinions. I'm from Germany ... so I can only buy from one to two retailer (because of the shipping costs)! I choose uncompany. I heared a few bad experiences about the Hurricane kit. So I think, I will choose the PGC value, the SD slide (boomarms is not in stock) and ... which spring guide ... Zenith or Guarder ... has someone experiences with Zenith? Any doubts about my combo? What's about the rear sight of the SD slide? Which sight can I use? Is the rear sight include? This is the red nine ball valve: http://www.safarasoftair.com/product_info....roducts_id=3927 And it seems, that it is for ksc. Link to post Share on other sites
hkssr20det Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 SD stuff is good too. I don't see a problem with that build. I believe that Guarder recoil springs are a bit heavier than Zenith (I know, they are both 150% - but whose 150%?). I bet that Nine Ball pic is just not the exact one. Go for PGC anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 chris u'5 wrote, that the SD slide will not be compatible with the plastic sights and real steel sights ... my question the third time: which sights are compatible with SD? Do you know the Zenith recoil spring? Link to post Share on other sites
hkssr20det Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 The SD slides usually come with at least a new rear sight. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Ok. Is this a steel sight? I can use a real steel front sight with this slide? Here's the link from the slide: http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdetails.asp?prodid=1802 I can not see a sight. Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 The SD G17 slides come with both the front and rear sights. You have to use the sights provided with that slide. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Ok. I was a bit confused, because of the picture from Uncompany ... there are no visible sights. I only want steel sights ... who need's real steel sights?! ^^ Do I need a new hammer spring? Or is the stock spring strong enough? Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Stick with the stock hammer spring. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted April 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Alright. I think, I got the best combo, I can get from Uncom.: SD G17 (L) Slide Guarder Spring guide PGC Valve DBC HP Barrel 6,01mm/93mm Shooter Design Tri magazine valve key Link to post Share on other sites
asinapple8805 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 i've also heard of the loading ramps breaking on the 17s and 18s because they are plastic unlike the 23f and the 19. i'd go with a KM, PDI, 9ball, or tanio koba inner barrel. also, i think real glock sights are plastic (or atleast the ones that i bought in store were plastic, both front and rear). upgraded hammer springs are fun because they up the power some however guarder may be a little strong and will definitely decrease the life of the gun. any kind of upgraded hammer spring will wear down the sear faster. once that happens, your gun is completely worthless cause i don't know anwhere that sells sears. if i remember right, the floating valve tends to break also after quite a bit of shooting. my favorites are firefly and shooters design. Link to post Share on other sites
hkssr20det Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 DB Customs barrels are good. Other than PDI they are the only readily available 6.01mm tight bores out there. I prefer PDI, but Dwayne has way more barrels than PDI does. Link to post Share on other sites
Clastyclay Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I want to order in near future ... What I will oder: SD G17C slide PDI 6.01mm tight bore (I still have a Guarder spring guide) But which valve. I can get these: Airsoft Surgeon-Power Up Floating Valve-KSC Glock King Arms High Output Valve PGC Valve KSC Which one can increase the power most? PGC right? I'm wondering, how the Surgeon-Power Up Floating Valve look like. Do I have to change the hammerspring? Link to post Share on other sites
some_guy22 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Honestly, I haven't had a problem with my G&P metal slide kit. Not as pretty as other ones available, but it still looks better than others and gets the job done. Their recoil spring isn't great; I'm running a Guarder recoil spring with it and it's fine. But if you have the money, go for other ones. Don't go with the AS floating valve, I've heard it doesn't work well at all with green gas. I'm running a Firefly rocket valve with a Hidakaya plug spring and it works great. PGC will give the most power, but you can also cut the pillars on the stock valve; I've done this and noticed a good increase in power. Not quite as clean as an aftermarket, but it works and is free. As for the hammer spring, running the stock one is fine. I've talked to others and the general conclusion is that it's not worth it to upgrade the spring; slight power increase with much worse gas efficiency. Link to post Share on other sites
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