Ficticious Unit Load-out

[Crandall]

Nihontarn ?

[Jagdraben]

Japanese camouflage utilities are done in a dot-pattern that I like to call nihontarn.

 

EDIT: See the image in my sig for an example of the pattern.

[Onechance]

What happens to Ireland? We survive or blow up or what?

[Cyber Soldier]

I'm guessing Ireland along with Britain would get a liberal coating of ash the the climate would change, both would get colder and wetter(is that possible?).

[Jagdraben]

I would suspect that Ireland would be fine.

 

So long as you like Norwegian weather close to the Arctic circle.

[Jagdraben]

GEARDOS!

 

Does anyone know what load-bearing equipment is (or will soon) be used by Marines and SEALs? Other than the CIRAS, that is.

[Jagdraben]

Anyone have any thoughts about using MultiCam instead of nihontarn?

[Cyber Soldier]

Well it really boils down to wether they are equipped out of the japanese defence budget or if they are self funded. Also are these guys a division of the JGSDF like the gurkhas have regiments in the British Army or are they an autonomous entity?

[Jagdraben]

I would think Gurkhkas... but Gurkhas are technically mercenaries....

[Cyber Soldier]

In that case I'd say it should be Nihotarn. I mentioned Gurkhas because they were the only foreign unit recruited from one country as opposed to the French Foreign Legion who are recruited from several nations.

[Jagdraben]

Well... it could be its own branch. The JFSDF. But I doubt that there would be enough foreigners in Japan to justify it. Hold on. Let me check troop numbers in Japan for the JSDF and US forces based in Japan. There might be enough US forces in Japan to justify a 'JFSDF'.

[Cyber Soldier]

What about the troops in Korea? Are they absorbed into the SK army or would they have moved to Japan?

[Jagdraben]

OK, there are 47,000 US Army personnel, most of the combat personnel are Special Forces Operators of First Battalion, First SFG.

 

There are around 20,000 US Marines in Japan from the III MEF, 1,500 of which are tied into the 31st MEU and supported by four M1A1 Abrams tanks. There's also the Third Marine Expeditionary Brigade, a Combat Assault Battalion, Third Recon Battalion, the Forth Marine Regiment, and the Twelfth Marine Regiment.

 

Air assets include 48 F-15s, 36 F-16s, and assorted non-combat aircraft of the Fifth Air Force. Other air assets include 12 F/A-18s, 6 A/V-8Bs, 4 E/A-6Bs, plus non-combat aircraft of the 1st Marine Wing.

 

Naval assets ashore include two Task Force commands, one submarine group command, and one amphibious forces command. Naval assets at sea include the USS Kitty Hawk and her strike group, which includes a further 36 F/A-18s, 10 F-14s, 4 E/A-6Bs, plus non-combat aircraft.

 

In total, there are roughly around 90,000 American combat personnel stationed in Japan as we speak. You could probably add several thousands or tens of thousands more, if not hundreds of thousands more, if a hypothetical refugee population were to move into Japan.

 

Linky.

 

EDIT: I can add! Honest!

 

The US troops in Korea would probably be absorbed by either the Korean military or the Australian military.

 

To contrast this, there are roughly 43 million Japanese citizens fit for military service according to the CIA Worldfact book, and roughly 1.2 million Japanese citizens reach the age at which they might join the military every year.

 

According to Wikipedia, there were 150,000+ active duty personnel in the JGSDF in the early ninties with an additional 40,000 in reserve. The JMSDF has some 45,800 personnel, 48 Destroyers (with 4 under construction), 9 'Destroyer Escorts' (Frigates), 17 Submarines, 3 Minesweepers, and assorted amphibious craft. And the JASDF has some 87,000 personnel serving 225 F-15J/DJ, 70 F-4EJ, 62 F-2A/B, 45 F-1, 42 R/F-4E/EJ, 20 E-2C, 4 E-767, 31 C-1, 15 C-130H, plus trainers and VIP aircraft.

 

Including reserves, the JSDF has roughly three times the numbers of US forces in Japan.

 

Scratch that. The JDA. Apparently, the official way of referring to all of the branches of the SDFs of Japan is the 'Japan Defense Agency'. According to Wikipedia, the JDA employs 253,180 active duty personnel who comprise the majority of the 276,890 strong agency.

 

A JFSDF could be formed to keep to Article 9 of the Constitution, in a very liberal interpretation, since most of the personnel would be foreign, not Japanese. Right now, I'm kinda torn between having there be an entire seperate arm of the JDA for the foreigners. It would make as much sense as integrating them into the current arms of the JDA. But either way, problems are going to be bumped into.

 

Namely the refugees. It would make sense to lump them in with the American personnel in Japan, but they would likely be trained by Japanese personnel, not American personnel. Based on how the combat personnel in Japan are currently organized, they could all (Army, Marines, Navy, and Air Force) be lumped into massive fighting force. You've got Green Berets, SEALs, Force Recon Marines, and Marines for grunts.

 

So the issue then is, do the refugees fall in alongside the Marines and Green Berets? Are they part of a JFSDF if there is one or would they be assigned their own units in the JGSDF and JMSDF, even if there is one? I could certainly see such units being important for cementing relationships between the American forces and their new Japanese masters. So, short list of possible roles for refugees:

 

-JFSDF grunts alongside the Marines, SEALs, and Green Berets

-Grunts in their own units within the JGSDF and JMSDF

-Dispersed among JFSDF units to serve as middlemen between Japanese forces and American forces

 

This has opened a whole new box of worries and troubles....

[Cyber Soldier]

This of course begs the question, of is the JDA prepared for rapid and massive expansion in the event of war?

[Jagdraben]

I doubt that they would be. They would have to cut through a lot of bureaucratic tape really fast in order to do so. Not to mention gearing up factories to produce sufficient numbers of uniforms, weapons, and other equipment nessesary to fight a war. (Of course, this means that Japan would likely buy uniforms, weapons, and equipment from Australia, India, and the United States, among others, until it could either meet its own needs or establish factories in Australia large enough to serve their needs. This of course, begs for a custom Type 89 kit that has Australian armory markings on it, rather than Japanese characters. XD)

 

But, then, they'd have to do the same for founding units of refugees and transferring command of nearly one hundred thousand American personnel from the United States DoD to the JDA.

 

And those would likely occur sometime after. Of course, volunteer refugee units would probably sound a lot better to Japanese ears than conscription. But, then, they probably wouldn't really need conscription if such a crisis were to arise.