kozy Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 New here. Going to get a TM Hard Kick (Yay me). I already have a JG M16A4 or A3, what ever you want to call it. And I need something of quailty that will last long, hence the reason I am getting a TM. But I want this gun to last, while being cheap. Now I understand the Hard Kick's have ABS or some type of plastic slide right? And thats why you aren't supposed to use Green Gas with the Hard Kicks, therefore you use that weak stuff. So.... Would I be able to use Propane with this Deagle I plan on getting and still have this gun last long, while using proper care (lubing it, cleaning it, etc....)? I really want to use propane because frankly, Its cheap, and frankly I am just a kid trying to make it through life (yes this has nothing to do with airsoft) and I just want to use propane. So Is it ok to use propane with this gun...? Link to post Share on other sites
dstrctn Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Propane (same thing as green gas minus the silicone) will make that gun wear down faster, which is expected with any gun pumping out more power, but functionally it will work fine with propane. Not like you'll fill it with propane and in one go the *beep* will hit the fan. Most current tokyo marui pistols are ok to use with Green Gas. Link to post Share on other sites
kevdude61 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 The inside of the slide has a lot of metal around it, most of the parts where shock will be excerted are metal. I bought a TM HardKick from a close friend after he used for about a year on nothing but green gas and it still works perfectly today a year later after I bought it being run off nothing but green gas. Link to post Share on other sites
Sh0ty Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Most TMs handle green out of the box no problem. The Desert Eagle however, takes green exceptionally. Bottom line, Green and Propane are perfect for the Desert Eagle. -Sh0ty Link to post Share on other sites
TW17CHY Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I used green gas on my TM Desert Eagle for a day, and one of the loading muzzle's rail broke. Doesn't seem to play a significant role, but the gun still functions. I've been using duster gas ever since that incident EDIT: Don't be afraid to use green gas/propane on it though, it's an awesome experience to hold a giant pistol and have the thing shake your entire body Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 That's why you can get a Guarder loading nozzle. As tough as the TMs are, the stock loading nozzles tend to break on green now and then, though I've never experienced it myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 The DE slide doesn't just "have metal parts". It's actually a fully metal frame with a plastic DE-shaped cover over it. It's a monster bit of engineering. I've found that the biggest problem with running the DE on propane is that they tend to blow the O-ring out of the piston sometimes. When this happens the gun will still work but you'll have slower blowback and the slide will sometimes not move forward back into battery properly. The easiest way to check this is to lock the slide back then try to move the fake bolt backwards and forwards. It's never totally free to move (because the O-ring is pressing against it) but if you can barely move it then you probably have a blown O-ring. Thing is, what normally happens is the O-ring blows with the bolt back and then, afterwards, the bolt just doesn't move anymore so the gun still works (sort of) and you don't really notice the problem. Unfotunately, to fix a blown O-ring you have to strip the slide right down. It doesn't happen often though and, in my experience, it tends to be one of those things that people find wrong with a used gun that they buy, fix, and then never have a problem with again. As long as you lube the GBB cylinder you shouldn't have a problem with this when using propane. Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Is there a fake bolt on an M9, it kinda sounds like my o ring is blown Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Is there a fake bolt on an M9, it kinda sounds like my o ring is blown <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No but you should be able to tell in a similar way. Take the slide off, grab the loading nozzle between a finger and thumb and see if it can move backward and forward easily. The GBB cylinder on the M9 should move very easily. If there's any resistance there it probably means you have a damaged seal inside the cylinder. Having said that, I have no idea if the M9 uses an O-ring or a cup-seal. If it's a cup-seal it's unlikely it'll be damaged. Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yeah no problems there, I doubt it would be anyway as after I gave it a good all round lubing inside and then lubed the mag's o ring's it was really kicking back very strongly! Link to post Share on other sites
w733commando Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I used green on my old deagle and it blew the slide clean off after 2 days. But that could be to do with me buying the display model. Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I used green on my old deagle and it blew the slide clean off after 2 days. But that could be to do with my buying the display model. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ouch... I have never actually used green gas, I've always stuck with Ultra gas and that's done fine Link to post Share on other sites
kozy Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Wow, the first couple of post are "Yeah go ahead and use it" The last post are "Your gun will self destruct in a short amount of time". So to owners who ACTUALLY have the GUN and run it off PROPANE or GREEN GAS. Can you tell me how long yours has lasted. Also, they newer DE's should be stronger right? Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've had my own DE for 2 years and it's been fine on Green/Propane. When I bought it (2nd hand) it already had the problem with the O-ring. I fixed it and it's been fine since. Since then I have met 2 other people who have complained about problems with their DE's and, in both cases, the O-ring was to blame. Again, in both cases the problem doesn't seem to have re-occured after it was fixed. *EDIT* FWIW, I'm not a huge user of pistols and I don't use them in winter but my DE gets shot quite a bit, for fun and at home as well as at skirmishes, so expect it's had an average number of shots through it. Link to post Share on other sites
kozy Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've had my own DE for 2 years and it's been fine on Green/Propane. When I bought it (2nd hand) it already had the problem with the O-ring. I fixed it and it's been fine since. Since then I have met 2 other people who have complained about problems with their DE's and, in both cases, the O-ring was to blame. Again, in both cases the problem doesn't seem to have re-occured after it was fixed. *EDIT* FWIW, I'm not a huge user of pistols and I don't use them in winter but my DE gets shot quite a bit, for fun and at home as well as at skirmishes, so expect it's had an average number of shots through it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can you send me a link to what O-ring you have? And guide to how to change the O-ring? I am a newb when it comes to gas pistols. Edit: Wait, O'rings as in O'rings like this? Where would I replace them and I would need a guide... Link to post Share on other sites
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