tom lawson Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Hey all, i need a new form of load bearing equipment.. at the moment, i have the standard brit plce webbing, with 3 x utility pouches, and 2 x double ammo pouches.. i carry a water bottle (standard uk issue, roughly A5 paper size, 3 inches deep), gas canister, A5-size bag of bb's, leatherman, speedloader, snacks, 4 x m14 magazines, should be going up to 5 or 6 hopefully.., ess advancer case and bits, m9 pistol (i want it on my lbe, not my leg), 1 m9 mag, 1 x mp7 in a dropleg holster, and maybe 3 short mp7 mags, and i think thats it.. links: marom-dolphin vest http://www.zahal.org/gear/p20.htm (i like this, although lack of pistol holster is annoying) preferred arktis vest http://specialforceskit.co.uk/store/k176-s...7d7feec9dedf480 (pity about the price) RICAS http://www.uktactical.com/acatalog/Warrior....S_Command.html im interested in something similar to this http://www.onpatrol.co.uk/6.0.6.osprey_com...sault_vest.html but cannot find where, if anywhere, it is available.. thanks for taking the time to read this, and helping me decide!! price is a factor, £150 is really the max im looking at, although i may be willing to extend this for the right bit of gear... thanks again, Tom edit: i forgot to say that i want the vest to be as low profile as possible, as ive found that i get stuck when crawling thru dense undergrowth with my plce on also, any comments as to why to get a particular vest over another would be appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites
reaper16 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Well the RICAS would be the most versatile. but if the Osprey vest is just the second layer of the picture you linked it would probably be the most compact. The dolphin vest doesnt look very breathable and essentially looks like Nylon pouches sewn ona solid nylon vest. Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoJim Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Just a thought, but perhaps a Wyvern All Arms Assualt Vest would fit your requirements? I have one and it has scads of space and an internal pistol holster. Out of the ones you put up, I would suggest the Arktis vest. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Comando recon rig I voted for the dolphin vest, but not that one its designed to go over armour, and isnt the most comfy without. The link above is the commando harness, simple, spacious, and tough as hell... it all depends on if this is for a look or not, but this vest does give overall vesty images... I would take dolphin gear into combat ANYDAY. R Link to post Share on other sites
morpcat Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 None of those solutions have a much lower profile than properly fitted PLCE webbing. I have a RICAS, assault vest, and PLCE webbing. The RICAS is definitely the most bulky of all of them, because it has SAPIs and a multitude of large pouches front and back. The assault vest is best for vehicle work, as the flat back and lack of items around the waist make it easy to sit down. The PLCE I find works best for woodland environments, it's much easier to go prone and you get more freedom of movement in the upper body. If you're doing a DPM loadout, the Arktis vest is really the only one that suits. If you're changing cam, then I would recommend the Warrior RICAS, because it is really good value. The Osprey 'assault vest' (really just a PALS platform) that OnPatrol have is something developed by them, and if it isn't on sale there that's because it is out of stock or not yet in production. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 the idf rig he saw is lower profile than PLCE... R Link to post Share on other sites
morpcat Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 The lower pouches on it are the same size as PLCE pouches (water bottle, magazines), there are pouches on the shoulder straps where PLCE has none, and there seems to be some kind of giant pack on the back of it. Sounds like PLCE + extra bits to get in the way. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 'seems' is lovely advice... try wearing or using it before deciding how useful it is. youll note that there isnt any pouches on the sides... thus redicing the profile from that of plce... which is VERY wide imo. R Link to post Share on other sites
morpcat Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 'seems' is lovely advice... try wearing or using it before deciding how useful it is. youll note that there isnt any pouches on the sides... thus redicing the profile from that of plce... which is VERY wide imo. R Don't get me wrong Bella, I wasn't saying the vest was in any way bad, just that you were wrong. There's more stuff on the front that gets in the way of the arms, things on the front that will be annoying when going prone, and yes, there does seem to be a giant pack on the back of it, unless my eyes are deceiving me. Also, there are pouches on the side of that vest, not big ones, but they are there. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 we looking at the one he suggested or i? the one he suggested is quite narrow profile, but a bit deep, and as ive used them, trust me, they dont hamper aiming, and as ive got short arms, i notice things in the way a LOT... its a comfy vest, designed for over armour... the one i suggested is more for foot work, and patrols, and more ground workl, prone, crawling etc, looks vest stacked, but its really not too bad to use. depends what he needs it for, tbh, idf kit is the sex for woodland soft, as its insanely tough, and doesnt have much snag points, while maximising carry capacity. ive used plce extensively, and the two idf vests less so, but still, belive me, if i had to fight, id use the idf ones... thier just more user friendly imo. R Link to post Share on other sites
onebigbagostupid Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 if we are still talking about the IDF rig. I've played with that IDF rig before, my first game. and i gotta say that it never gotten in the way of me shouldering my weapons and the reloads were relatively easy. If that vest is any sort of indicator of what the rest of the IDF loadouts are, then the IDF don't play. Link to post Share on other sites
x.black-jack.x Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I would go for a Pantac Plate Carrier W/cummerbund, you can get one for 85£ (w/ shipping) or something like this at Redwolf. They have the versatility of the CIRAS but not the weight and the bulkiness. Link to post Share on other sites
morpcat Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 we looking at the one he suggested or i? the one he suggested is quite narrow profile, but a bit deep, and as ive used them, trust me, they dont hamper aiming, and as ive got short arms, i notice things in the way a LOT... its a comfy vest, designed for over armour... the one i suggested is more for foot work, and patrols, and more ground workl, prone, crawling etc, looks vest stacked, but its really not too bad to use. depends what he needs it for, tbh, idf kit is the sex for woodland soft, as its insanely tough, and doesnt have much snag points, while maximising carry capacity. ive used plce extensively, and the two idf vests less so, but still, belive me, if i had to fight, id use the idf ones... thier just more user friendly imo. R Ah, my apologies, I'm on the wrong vest. Link to post Share on other sites
tom lawson Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 thanks for all the advice, guys n gal(s?) yeah, the problem with plce i find is that i get stuck between bush branches on either side of me, there is no problem with them above me.. the idf vest (i'll probably go for the one i posted Belladonna, i want more of a 'vest' style rig, to even the load i carry out) is really tempting.. theyre good prices as well! thanks again, Tom Link to post Share on other sites
tom lawson Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 ok, looking at the warrior now, one question though.. would it be feasible to attach an mp7 to http://www.optactical.com/tagweca.html on the right ride of the vest, so that the mp7 rests under my right arm? i cant see why there would be a problem.. finally, do the warrior ricas double m4 pouches fit m14 magazines? how many? thanks again, Tom Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 likely no, get .308 pouches instead of .223... R Link to post Share on other sites
tom lawson Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 hey all, sorry for the bump, but to let you know i got an Arktis vest in the end, a 1601 to be precise. Thanks again and finally for all your help! Link to post Share on other sites
Destroyer 105 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 RICAS looks lke the safe option Link to post Share on other sites
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