Wayneard3413 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 americans keep getting killed at theirs, my mate told me it was to do with their procedures but I can't remember what was wrong with them. Partially due to our hands being tied as far as ROE... Its not like OEF I-III Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 ... SUPER TROOPERS! Link to post Share on other sites
M0ldyM!LK Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Partially due to our hands being tied as far as ROE... Its not like OEF I-III What he said. More often than not we can only engage, or hardly do anything for that matter, once they've shot someone down or blown up a VBIED inside of the TCP. Once either of those happen, they've either fled the area, or have blown themselves up, obviously... There's not a whole lot we can do about it. Link to post Share on other sites
darkchild130 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 strange how US ROE have got tighter but British ROE have got more lenient over the years. Technically it should be threat dependant but Americans are still getting killed so i dont know why their hands are tied? And i'd love to go into depth about Brit TTPs in regards to snap VCPs (i do love to talk about work) but OPSEC suggests that i dont. Sorry. Darkchild Link to post Share on other sites
Wayneard3413 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Our snap TCPs are completely different then whats being discussed above... And there isnt much detail you can go into on them on a public forum Link to post Share on other sites
boxmag Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I dont know what kind of smoke you colonials have but in the UK would have a lot of trouble obscuring anything with a the smoke we've got in the UK (unless you're an ant or a small mouse). I'm thinking of using it more in the line of giving a visual signal, in the early stages where any structure hasnt been yet set up. Sorry if I wasnt being clear on it, but I was talking about *suitcasey* airsoft amokes, not actual military smokes. I'm going to shut up now because there are clearly more experienced individuals on the forum that'll give much better info. Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 strange how US ROE have got tighter but British ROE have got more lenient over the years. Technically it should be threat dependant but Americans are still getting killed so i dont know why their hands are tied? And i'd love to go into depth about Brit TTPs in regards to snap VCPs (i do love to talk about work) but OPSEC suggests that i dont. Sorry. Darkchild Because Americans think that war is something that should fought between two teams, with proper uniforms, on a lonely battlefield, with referees... and God forbid that anyone other than combatants get killed... especially US soldiers. (/rant) Link to post Share on other sites
KTcerberus Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Our US media would flip their lids at the chance to do a story about soldiers breaking ROE or being "cruel". Thus our ROE is very strict and puts us at risk for the sake of better publicity at times. Link to post Share on other sites
shibisueka Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Our US media would flip their lids at the chance to do a story about soldiers breaking ROE or being "cruel". Thus our ROE is very strict and puts us at risk for the sake of better publicity at times. Yeah, I'm not, haven't and probably won't be in the military, but the media aspect seems to me to be the most annoying and dangerous part about it all... you do something that saves several lives, but have to break an ROE or two, the media'll be all over you, making you seem like a criminal. Strange thing, no? Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I was hoping that some of the more trained and BTDT members could possibly help outline some current vehicle stop, search and seizure SOPs for security forces? Thanks much. step 1: shoot the c**p out of oncoming vehicle. step 2: approach swisscheese-like smoking hunk of metal and search Link to post Share on other sites
Wayneard3413 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 A few contractors tried that and look whats happening to them Link to post Share on other sites
Cpt Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Possibly some smoke grenades when you see a vehicle coming. Seen too much Generation Kill, have we? Better have a SAW nearby as well Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 A few contractors tried that and look whats happening to them They're alive to be chastised, thats wot. Link to post Share on other sites
boxmag Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I dont think it's too much gen kill Link to post Share on other sites
darkchild130 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Our US media would flip their lids at the chance to do a story about soldiers breaking ROE or being "cruel". Thus our ROE is very strict and puts us at risk for the sake of better publicity at times. I feel for US soldiers. We were that way up until 2006 when our ROE flipped 180. We are now allowed to engage anything we perceive as a threat, from full on contacts to someone suspiciously digging the road up. Darkchild Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well, it does come with some issues... the Mortar section in my unit is the cause of that Italian reporter and the bodyguard that rescued her getting shot up back in 04/05. Granted, they were driving at high speed at a checkpoint with no lights on, and behaving suspiciously, so... Link to post Share on other sites
darkchild130 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 indeed, as special ops they should have deconflicted with security forces in the area beforehand, or at least familiarised themselves with US ROE before conducting the op. It was a lethal oversight on their behalf. Darkchild Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 And yet another instance of how one little conversation could have affected the outcome: the four Blackwater contractors in Falluja. Lord knows how many Marines paid for that mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
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